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Reprinted with permission from Alternet.

Republicans in the Senate are about to radically overhaul former President Obama’s landmark Affordable Healthcare Act but you’d hardly know it watching American media. The sheer size of this shift involved in the American Health Care Act (AHCA), both in moral and economic terms, cannot be overstated. 23 million Americans stand to lose their health insurance, and according to one study, 18,000 to 28,000 people will die as a result of the GOP bill by 2026. But for weeks, while the public could have had some say-so as to what was in the bill by pressuring Republicans for more transparency, major media sat by and did next to nothing.

One Media Matters survey found over one two-week period in early June, as the bill was being molded in secret, major networks all but ignored the topic. CBS News didn’t cover the subject at all, ABC gave it a mere 40 seconds and NBC News dedicated just under 2.5 minutes out of roughly five hours of news. By contrast, NBC News program “Sunday Night With Megyn Kelly” set aside 700% more time, or 17.5 minutes, to the urgent topic of Alex Jones.

Newspapers didn’t fare much better. Though most did report on the subject and the corresponding GOP coverup, the story was largely buried. During the same two-week period in early June, only two front pages from major newspapers featured the story, out of a total of 40.

The most urgent political issue of the past decade was all but a non-issue in major media outlets. And in the rare case it was mentioned, the fact that Republicans were deliberately keeping the process secret was not.

Without this key piece of context, one was left with the distinct impression there was a degree of bipartisan input into the law rather than the truth—that the AHCA was a cynical power grab by Senate Republicans.

The net effect played out as one would expect: according to a survey by research company Morning Consultant, only 22 percent of regisitered voters had heard “a lot” about how Senate Republicans were writing the ACHA in secret–well behind topics such as Trump sharing classified intelligence with Russia, the Paris climate accords, and the Comey testimony.

 

What makes this dereliction of duty by the media uniquely sleazy is it plays directly into the Republican PR strategy for passing Trumpcare. The goal from the beginning was to keep the bill secret and reveal its contents at the 11th hour, similar to how the House passed its AHCA last bill in early May. According to a report by Axois earlier this month:

Senate Republicans are working to finish their draft health care bill, but have no plans to publicly release it, according to two senior Senate GOP aides.

“We aren’t stupid,” said one of the aides. One issue is that Senate Republicans plan to keep talking about it after the draft is done: “We are still in discussions about what will be in the final product so it is premature to release any draft absent further member conversations and consensus.”

When the most powerful forces in the country expressly flaunt their secrecy and even frame it as a positive, one would think this would bait the media into more coverage, not lull them into less. By keeping the process airtight, the GOP effectively starved the press of content to report on. But the conspiracy to keep the process hidden from the public was itself a story and one in urgent need of covering. While some did, such as cable outlet MSNBC and Vox.com, they were the exception, not the rule.

A corporate media that obsesses about balanced reporting likely feared looking overtly partisan by highlighting the ploy at work, but once again, this false balance let Republicans off the hook. It wasn’t until this week, when protesters gave editors and producers visuals of disabled people being dragged out by Capitol police and the contents of the bill itself was revealed that they started paying attention. But now it’s too late: the bulk of the bill has been written and a vote is likely going to be jammed in before the sleepy fourth of July weekend.

No public discussion. No measurable outrage from major media on the total lack of public discussion. Some handwringing late into the process, and last-minute attempts by pro-Democratic media to rally the troops, but ultimately the Republican strategy of dodging the media worked exactly as they hoped it would.

h/t Media Matters and Vox’s Jeff Stein.

Adam Johnson is a contributing analyst at FAIR and contributing writer for AlterNet. Follow him on Twitter @AdamJohnsonNYC.
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134 Comments

  1. JPHALL June 25, 2017

    Why is anyone surprised. The media has been so busy trying to be balanced that they bend over backwards and lose sight of journalism.

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    1. Independent1 June 25, 2017

      One problem is that a large percentage of the media today (more than 50-60%) is owned or influenced by people/companies who are right-wing biased. Since the story about the GOP’s efforts to deny health insurance to millions while feeding billions to the already wealthy would be negative for the right-wing GOP; these right-wing biased people that control the majority of America’s media are not going to air that kind of news. (That’s what’s called censorship.)

      And since most media outlets feel that they are in competition with other media outlets for the ‘hot button story’ of the moment, what may be left-wing biased media outlets are not going to air the GOP healthcare debacle story either, because they end up being afraid that a story about what the GOP is doing to endanger people’s lives will end up outside the mainstream of what’s considered to be the ‘hot button story’ of the moment (as dictated by the right-wing media outlets); thereby losing them listener-ship.

      So by controlling more than 50% of America’s media outlets today, and because of the way the media has positioned itself with respect to its current journalism priorities, the right-wing media actually ends up almost always controlling virtually all the news items that really are aired by the ‘mainstream media outlets’ in any given day.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker June 26, 2017

        When this special investigation is over, it is going to do more than show Putin’s direct order to hack a US election. It just might show the cohesiveness between politicians like Mitch McConnell whose entire status in the Senate is totally reliant on HMO campaign donations and men with too much money who use that money to FORCE their will on the entire country.

        These are our tax dollars. They are ONLY representatives we elect. You can see why rigging elections by Republicans became so important. Think about how much influence the Republicans would ever have if they couldn’t secure elections via rigging so they could remain in power. And just WHO gave them that power? Not us. We don’t even know at this poit in time if ANY election going forward won’t be rigged by the Republican Party.

        Already in GA there is some talk that Handel played a dirty hand by redistricting that swallowed Dem voting districts into Republican districts to skew the votes.

        But then, the righties call us sore losers? They damn best better know we are sore when they use their dirty election rigging tactics and strategies to make sure ONLY they can “win.” Is it winning, if they rig it?

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      2. mike June 26, 2017

        What a load of horse sh$t.
        My gosh your diarrhea is endless.
        Nothing ever changes with you. Sh$t in sh$t out.

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        1. I know a joke June 27, 2017

          OK thanks traitor. Sorry you hate America & etc.

          Reply
          1. mike June 27, 2017

            You are an imbecile! Hate of America is all yours. Go back under your rock.

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          2. I know a joke June 27, 2017

            OK Ivan.Make Russia Great Again!

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          3. mike June 27, 2017

            Thinking stupidly once more I see. You are a one track idiot with not of iota of proof.

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          4. I know a joke June 27, 2017

            OK traitor.

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          5. mike June 27, 2017

            ???? I see you are still spewing fake news without any evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia.
            Only a empty headed dolt would use the word traitor with no evidence. Produce treasonous Trump activity or shut the fu$k up.

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          6. I know a joke June 27, 2017

            OK KKKomrade

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      3. idamag June 26, 2017

        This is sad but true. And the independent outlets depend on advertising so they get pressure from business once again.

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    3. Eleanore Whitaker June 26, 2017

      I actually recall when Edward R. Murrow was a Sunday night must see. Rachel Maddow’s journalistic style is very much like Murrow’s. Walter Cronkite, Douglas Edwards and Mike Wallace all began in journalism the way some of today’s young journalists are. The only one with a longer work record is Chris Matthews who started out at an early age.

      The real problem with media is trying not to get caught up in the deliberate propagandizing by foul ball right wing and Putin paid troll media.

      Fox News is not media. It is infotainment. Free Press as Benjamin Franklin understood it was to present two sides of issues without bias.

      Along comes the hotcha Editor in Chiefs who just had to offer their “editorials” and it went all down hill from there. Do we really care about an editor’s opinion? Are we all too stupid to form our own without their help?

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      1. mike June 26, 2017

        Rachel’s style like Murrow, Cronkite. You are fuc$ing crazy.
        I see you are still thinking stupidly.
        You’re such a goofball.

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        1. Jan123456 June 28, 2017

          I am sure you watch Rachel regularly so you can make such a statement with authority.

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          1. mike June 28, 2017

            Keep trying old girl. Comparing Maddow to those icons is both frivolous and stupid.
            Maddow’s dishonesty via omission, exaggeration of the 2 page trump tax return is a perfect example of why she is no Cronkite.

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          2. Jan123456 June 28, 2017

            I am not making the comparison. You are saying what you know about her, not from actually watching, but from what your right wing sources TELL you about her.

            Not surprised.

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    4. mike June 26, 2017

      Balanced? You are fuc&ing nuts!

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      1. JPHALL June 26, 2017

        As usual you either did not read what I wrote or failed to understand. Too sad!

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        1. mike June 26, 2017

          As usual you really have your head up your a$$ for you to even think “media has been so busy trying to be balanced.”
          You are fu$king crazy if you believe a scintilla of what you said.

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          1. JPHALL June 27, 2017

            It is so sad that you lack the intelligence to present a cognizant argument. Typical of you. Noise and ignorance.

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  2. Independent1 June 25, 2017

    It’s interesting that Bernie Sanders at least got to educate today those Americans who watch NBC’s ‘Meet the Press’ about the GOP’s disastrous healthcare legislation. And for at least the 2nd time, Bernie got to point out that what the GOP is proposing is going to end up with thousands of Americans dying. Elisabeth Warren in a speech yesterday said that the tax breaks that Republicans were giving to the wealthy are in essence blood money because of those who are projected to die.(The numbers in this article that project how many Americans may die due to the lack of insurance over the next decade appear woefully low. From previous projections made for ACA – the numbers provided in the above article are more like those who may end up dying annually not over the next decade.)

    See these projections of those who may die just in 2014 because some GOP states refused to expand Medicaid

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e3b53090567ed0d08fa0bb1eb91c89e9d9db32e833773702a1cdd442b791e705.png

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  3. Dominick Vila June 26, 2017

    The worst part of this issue is the inability, or cowardice, of the main stream media, the DNC, and Democratic elected officials to challenge the claim that the ACA is a disaster and that people covered by the ACA are losing their insurance coverage or cannot afford the premiums. Not one of them has stood up and pointed out that millions of Americans who did not have comprehensive, affordable, health insurance are now covered and getting the treatment they need to live a healthy life. None of them has challenged the claim that insurance companies do not want to cover people under the ACA. They have allowed Trump, and the GOP at large, to control the agenda and we are now paying for it.

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker June 26, 2017

      Dominick, If the ACA is such a disaster, might that not be because of the Republican majority with a penchant for side tracking, defunding and generally manipulating the basis of the ACA?

      For 8 years of the Obama Administration all we saw was the Republican Party obstructing everything Obama did. Should there be no consequences of that?

      Consider: In January 2009, in order just to get the healthcare reform bill to the floor of Congress, Obama had to agree to a tax cut. Start with the ARRA taxpayers paid for, the tax cut and the extension of unemployment caused by 2 prior tax cuts and then to make sure the ACA would fail, Republican states ALL refused to set up state ACA agencies.

      It is simply NOT true that the ACA is a failure. Why is it working so well in NY state? I’ll tell you why. Because the governor of that state allowed state run agencies. NJ’s Governor Fat Mouth didn’t. Now, he is going around trying to salve his guilty conscience by touting assistance to stop drug addiction. Meanwhile, the cost of NJ’s healthcare without a state ACA is 11% higher than NY’s.

      The problem goes to the heart of why this country is in such a mess in the first place: Handing over TOO MUCH money to corporations in the trillions every year hidden by earmarks buried so deep in legislation, it takes a microscope to find them.

      How has this country benefitted by keeping relic industries alive long past their shelf life? Where in the US Constitution does it state tax dollars must be handed over to ANY corporation with a CEO too stupid to make a success of it without total reliance on tax revenues?

      And why should these corporations hire Americans when cheap labor is plentiful abroad? Why shouldn’t they price gouge when that is the ONLY path to profit since they don’t create new products or services? Why shouldn’t they earmark part of their annual corporate budgets for their favorite candidates and lobbyists?

      Already Chaffetz is chomping at the bit to become a lobbyist. Must be a whole lot of our hard earned money going into their lobbyist incomes.

      As for Big Insurance, I’ll post this for the 100th time. If all these insurance companies want to do is enroll only healthy 20 year olds who will pay premiums for the next 25 years without ever filing a claim, how isn’t that 25 years of pure profit?

      The whole point of insurance is to pay claims. Not to just pay premiums that turn into billionaires.

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      1. idamag June 26, 2017

        You are right. This is definitely what happened. He even had to make concessions to Democrats, as well as the Republicans, to get it passed.

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker June 26, 2017

          Remember back in January 2009 when Obama had to agree to the 2nd bailout in 4 months? He only got the extension for unemployment by agreeing to a 3rd tax cut and that 2nd bailout.

          Then, one year later, The brilliant morons of the GOP held Obama hostage again when he tried to finalize the ACA by refusing to fund FEMA unless he removed the single payer line item from the ACA and agreed to allow states to decide if they wanted to set up state ACA agencies.

          The crux of these agencies was crafted by Obama solely to control pricing by HMOS and Big Pharma. The Republicans lied through their teeth that that particular issue was FORCING states to create state agencies and furthered that lie by telling their constituents they were being FORCED onto government healthcare. As if that would have been the worst event of their lives.

          SS has past 80 years of success and yet the GOP continues to try to end it. Medicare and Medicaid are more than 50 years old and the GOP continues to try to end that too.

          All for the same reasons. These are government programs paid for by employees over their lifetimes. But that isn’t what the GOP wants. They want total deregulation of healthcare so profits can soar and billionaires become trillionaires on our copays, premiums and deductibles.

          My Medicare deductible this year is $107 dollars. Compare that to pre Obama ACA regulations when I had an Aetna employer plan and that deductible was $5,000 out of pocket.

          The joke is that even when the Republicans tried to halt any state agencies a lot of their constituents had but to go to the government site to find more affordable healthcare.

          Compare that to the rip off businsses who have at their convenience E-Verify to check the citizenship status of new hires and never even bother. Money money money profit profit profit. The new “conservatism.”

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          1. dpaano June 27, 2017

            Agreed….we have the best government money can buy!

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        2. mike June 26, 2017

          You forget the betrayal of Waxman by Obama and drug costs to get insurance companies on board. I was a very imperfect law based on lies.

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        3. FireBaron June 27, 2017

          And ended up with not one Republican Vote. We could have had Single Payer right now had they the courage.

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      2. mike June 26, 2017

        Your diarrhea continues.

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      3. dpaano June 27, 2017

        I have to agree with you somewhat. As an example, I’ve been paying for home insurance for over 30 years, never filed a claim. Where is all my money going? I’ll never get it back unless I file a claim. They’re just using my money to make MORE money, and I have to keep paying for something that I may never use! Do you think they’ll give me a refund on any of it because I never filed a claim? Fat chance!!! Insurance companies are rip offs!

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        1. Jan123456 June 28, 2017

          Well, why don’t you cancel your homeowner’s insurance if you don’t want it. After 30 years, I assume your mortgage is paid off so you don’t have to have it as a condition of your mortgage.

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          1. dpaano June 28, 2017

            Well, Jan, I still have a mortgage and, as such, my mortgage company requires me to have homeowner’s insurance. I’m not a billionaire, so I can’t really afford to self insure my home. What my complaint is about is that we pay and pay and pay, and if we die without EVER having filed a claim…..we’ve paid in thousands and thousands of dollars for basically nothing. You’d think they would reimburse a portion of our payments if we don’t file a claim for….say….10 years….or 20 years. Not all of it, but a portion just to say “atta girl, you did good.” But, no, it all goes to the shareholders or to someone else who files a BIG claim. No good answer to my question….just venting.

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          2. Jan123456 June 28, 2017

            Very very few people can self-insure,that’s the point of insurance. It creates a risk pool. You can’t expect to get back what you put in…if you did you would self-insure.

            Part of what you’re paying for when you have insurance is peace of mind. Peace of mind that if your number comes up…whether it’s health, home or auto – that financially you and/or your family won’t be devastated.

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      4. Dominick Vila June 28, 2017

        Like most new government programs, the ACA needs changes to correct things that are not working that well, and strengthen things that are working well but are not supported financially or not managed well enough. The biggest problem at the moment is the uncertainty introduced by Trump and the GOP to justify dismantling a program that is helping 23 million Americans who did not have access to affordable, comprehensive healthcare before the ACA. One thing the GOP fails to point out when the talk about high ACA premiums is the fact that 70% of the cost is subsidized by the Federal government. Their plan shifts the subsidies from those who need it to the wealthy in the form of tax credits.

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    2. mike June 26, 2017

      Your ignorance of the facts is
      breathtaking! It is in a death spiral caused by all the lies perpetrated by you a$$holes on the left.
      Why haven’t they stood up? Simple, they know it is been bigger disaster. Only, you imbeciles think it is working.
      Look douche bag no one has ever been denied access or treatment.
      What joy it is to watch you dumbass social warriors watch the disintegration of the so called Obama legacy.
      Elections have consequences.
      No collusion!
      0-4 for the Dems in special elections. Dems have
      no leadership, no direction, no policies. No WH! No House! No Senate! Just a bunch of losing jerks!
      Foxtrot Yankee!

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    3. dpaano June 27, 2017

      I don’t know, the L.A. Times has written MUCH about the healthcare plan and the problems that the new plan is going to cause. I don’t see them as holding back all that much.

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  4. Mama Bear June 26, 2017

    Sadly …I have finally come to the realization that nothing is going to change. The Koch Bros have approved of Trump, the people who are going to be most affected by this health care debacle don’t seem to care, the media is too busy contemplating their collective naval, the horror of Russian interference in our electoral foundation, and the Republican base is actually growing….nothing is going to change. For now progressivism is screwed. Between Trump and Pence human rights in this country will be eroded and dialed back to 1950 levels of acceptance. Schools will continue to be privatized and public education will become a joke. The divide between rich and poor will continue to grow. Privatized prisons will demand more prisoners to feed the owners so blacks and unemployed young people will fill these prisons at taxpayer and human capital expense. Welcome to the Republican lifestyle.

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    1. idamag June 26, 2017

      I see and feel what you are saying. I feel the same way. With the help of the media this country is devolving and the descent is faster than the ascent.

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    2. Charles Winter June 26, 2017

      I only disagree about the timeframe that the GOP wants to move back to. You’re off by 150 to 250 years.

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      1. Mama Bear June 27, 2017

        you think that far back? seriously? OMG.

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        1. FireBaron June 27, 2017

          Something about their constitutional convention eliminating the 1st Amendment, and giving serious consideration to changing or eliminating the 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, and 16th Amendments. Naturally, the 2nd would be bolstered, but would exclude anyone not on an acceptable list as defined by the NRA, not the Courts.

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  5. idamag June 26, 2017

    I blame corporate media for the dumbing down of this country. They are insidious. Adolph would have loved them. They took great pains to destroy real journalism. If, we, as a consumer, cannot see them for what they are, that says a lot about us.

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    1. Mama Bear June 26, 2017

      I am a retired publisher – while I published medical journals and not newspapers I saw it and experienced it even in my world. It became all about ad revenue and not abut delivering content. As a publisher I was squeezed in both directions – striving to keep my editors and writers honest and striving to keep the money people off the butts of those editors. In the mainstream media it is obvious which side won.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

        I so agree. When you pay nearly $200 a month for Cable TV and all you get are hours and hours of commercials for that money, how isn’t that mind numbing mind control?

        Today’s world is buy, buy, buy, sell, sell, sell and when that doesn’t work? Force, force, force.

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  6. RichFromShowMe June 26, 2017

    obambacare currently has around 6 million folks signed up, of which around 75% are on some amount of subsidy. Not sure where the 23 million comes from, but, guess its just more FAKE NEWS.

    Competition and the individuals ability to buy whatever coverage they want from whatever insurer they want, coupled with state managed Medicare and subsidies for those who truly can’t afford (reduced premium) health insurance will clean up the debacle of obambacare . . but it can’t be done overnight.

    The primary reasons health insurance costs mushroomed was (1) fed dictated coverage, (2) insurers dropping out of the market before going broke and (3) federal idiocy and contempt for a system that used to work . . . it just needed a few tweaks, not throwing the baby out with the batch water.

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/21/news/economy/obamacare-enrollment-record/index.html

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    1. Independent1 June 26, 2017

      A totally misguided message: AS USUAL FULL OF FABRICATIONS OF REALITY. That article you linked to is talking about 6 plus million policyowners NOT INSUREDS!! There are MILLIONS MORE INSUREDS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE 6 MILLION POLICIES DUMMKOPF!!!!!!!

      And if you read to the last paragraph, you would have noticed that according to the Urban Institute – 30 MILLION AMERICANS ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR INSURANCE IF THE GOP DOESN’T REPLACE ACA. THE CBO IS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT IN THEIR PROJECTIONS!!!

      And the reason costs and premiums are going up (and most states that support ACA they’re going up slower than they were BEFORE ACA), is because so many GOP states have refused to support ACA, and GOP politicians have over the past couple years snuck in changes that are causeing insurer costs to rise, that insurers haven’t gotten an adequate mix of insureds – especially enough healthy people to offset all the sick ones- the fact that Obamacare is struggling a little now has nothing to do with the BS you posted DIRTBAG!!

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      1. InformedVoter June 27, 2017

        Sorry ID1, but you’re wrong. What a surprise! The CBO claims 23 million will lose health care, but the CBO analysis of obozocare shows that 23 million will lose their health care. While it may not be the exact same 23 million, who cares?
        As to the secrecy portion, who was it that was quoted as “we have to pass the bill to see what’s in the bill”? Duh. So that clearly states the Dems scripted obozocare in secrecy from their own party members!

        Isn’t it strange that the above article seemed to miss that point!
        obozocare is dying under the premium increases. Most will see 24-36% increases in 2018 on top of the 18-27% increases in 2017!
        So many companies have pulled out that 40% of folks only have one choice. And the deductable amounts for many are $10,000 meaning they don’t really have healthcare now.

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

          As usual, you chime in from your peanut gallery. The number who are uninsured as the .gov Census Report shows is due entirely to Obamacare.

          And wussy your TrumpCare is going down. The GOP already knows Scalise got his and thanks to their NRA buddies who has armed the very people who have the most to lose in Republican states, your wussy boys of the GOP are bailing on Trumpcare. 3 Republicans with at least 5 more are saying they won’t vote for it or even allow it to come to the floor now that the CBO, which by the way, is headed by a Republican appointee (Bush ’43), has already provided the facts.

          But you liars out there have to lie don’t you? If you told the truth once in your pathetic lives, you’d go into “culture” shock. Grow up. No one believes a single word of your posts.

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          1. InformedVoter June 27, 2017

            Personally, I would not vote for the proposed health care plan. I would rip out the remains of obozocare first. That is the reason why some of the GOP are saying they won’t vote for the new plan.
            The FAKE MSM would like for folks to call it Trumpcare, but the name is not being used anywhere but in a very small circle of dummies.
            The couple of million who got health care was not worth the cost and the agony that millions have had to go through because they lost their good health insurance.
            The number of insured is misleading because there are millions who have health insurance, but with a $10,000 deductable, they can’t afford to use it.

            If you wish to upset a conservative, you tell then a lie (like you do). If you wish to upset a liberal, you tell them the truth (like I do!). Since you seem to be extremely upset, the truth must be getting to you. Have a nice day.

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          2. Jan123456 June 28, 2017

            I would rip out the remains of obozocare first

            What remains?

            1. That people with pre-existing conditions could get insurance they can afford?
            2. That insurance needs to cover an annual physical? (Do you know that it’s much less expensive to nip health problems in the bud?)
            3. That (especially) rural hospitals can continue to exist because they have patients that have insurance to pay for services?
            4. That disabled people can continue to be productive with the assistance from Medicaid…and our elderly cared for?

            Knowing you, you will come back with a snarky “yes”.

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          3. Independent1 June 28, 2017

            You realize you’re blogging with a mental retard who has an IQ less than 50??

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          4. Eleanore Whitaker June 28, 2017

            Independent…You prove that free and liberally independent thought is far more acceptable to society than a mentally defective mind like Misinformed.

            You have to wonder why it is when they are presented with facts, they just insist, insist, insist anyway?

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          5. Independent1 June 28, 2017

            I was wanting to put in a dig to MisinformedVoter without actually responding to IT. I’ve given up on that mental retard. No matter how much evidence for proof you provide the idiot to prove what it’s posting is a lie , IT will make up some contrived bunch of sometimes unrelated BS in response. Which may then require some form of response which IT will once again respond with more often unrelated BS and on and on. It becomes a tireless episode of endless nonsense coming from IT. IT is a lot like Mike and I’m not sure they’re not the same right-wing turkey posting under different monikers.

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          6. dpaano June 28, 2017

            Maybe because we keep responding to them…..if we block them and no one responds, they might find another website to bother!! We can always hope!

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          7. dpaano June 28, 2017

            He can’t even spell “Obama.”

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          8. InformedVoter June 29, 2017

            I find it ironic that one of those supporting your post is a racist and proved it by using racial slurs in many posts. The other has had his loony posts shredded so many times, he has not credibility.
            But personally I would keep pre-existing conditions but place them in a high-risk pool. The other items 2-4 were covered, in many ways, long before obozocare took effect.

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          9. Jan123456 June 29, 2017

            If you want me to defend my positions, I will. I have no control over what other people believe or post.

            Many pre-PPACA plans did NOT cover annual physicals. Some were merely disaster insurance that people would not access unless their illnesses got to the point that intensive intervention was needed.

            If you have done any reading, you will have come across multiple citations in which hospital emergency rooms, the most expensive type of healthcare, were the primary sources of healthcare for people. Now, one of the downfalls of the PPACA was education…to help people live healthier lives, see a doctor regularly, promote things like smoking cessation and better eating. But that’s another issue.

            Number 4 is Medicaid. That’s what Mitch McConnell wants to reduce.

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      2. RichFromShowMe June 27, 2017

        Actually, of the 23, or so, million now (claimed) under obambacare, around 17, or so, million already had their own chosen health insurance BEFORE obambacare, ergo, a net increase of around 6 million for the monstrosity that caused 100%+ cost increases for those who didn’t get a subsidy. 🙂

        Isn’t the Communist News Network (CNN) the “bible”, for you guys?

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

          Do you always intend to be a liar? Or was that just for Big Daddy’s attention?

          The number of UNINSURED dropped as a result of the ACA. Give it up. You are not ever going to change facts just to get your way little boy.

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          1. RichFromShowMe June 27, 2017

            Correct . . . . by about 6 million 🙂

            But premiums increased by 50% to 100%+ for those who didn’t receive subsidies and their deductibles increased by even greater percentages.

            Yeh . . . obambacare was a great idea . . . . NOT 🙂

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

            Wrong. You can keep insisting you are smarter than the CBO but all you prove is your inability to accept truth and facts from experts with more intelligence than you will ever have.

            Tell us. Do you tell your doctor what your diagnosis is too? Do you tell your employer how to run his business? Do you force your wife and kids to bow down to you every morning?

            All signs of a mentally ill person. When lose your hatred little boy, maybe you will then clear away the smoke and mirrors you always seem to need to make yourself look “intelligent.”

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          3. Independent1 June 28, 2017

            Where to you make up all this total BS that you post?? My guess is you’re a writer for that pathological liar named Donald Trump!!!
            As Eleanore said – GIVE IT UP LOW IQ LITTLE BOY!!!

            You’re going to convince no SANE PERSON here on the NM – only your mentally retarded cohorts who are as dumb and gullible as you!!!

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          4. Eleanore Whitaker June 28, 2017

            Men like Rich are a joke on humanity. These are the little boys whose Mommy didn’t dare spank their hinnies because sonny would wail until the cows came home.

            He will just keep insisting. Mental patients always do that.

            Premiums ONLY increased in Republican states. NY and NJ are a perfect example of that. NJ has a Republican governor who refused to set up a state ACA agency. Immediately, NJ people were stuck with the Big 6 HMO monopoly. No choice there. So, what these Big 6 did then was to double premiums. Funny thing. It didn’t happen with the multitudes of smaller HMOs in NY state where they pay 11% less than people in NJ.

            The only common denominator is Republicans doing all they can to salvage next year’s HMO campaign donations.

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          5. Independent1 June 28, 2017

            What the American public needs to really be made aware of is that private market health insurance premiums were going up at an annual rate of between 8 and 15% and more every year before ACA; and that since ACA, in at least the states which have made ACA enough of a factor in their health insurance market to get at least 2-3 or more insurance company players, the rate of increase in premiums over the past 8 years has been less than 1/2 what it was going up.

            So a couple years ago, an insurance analyst projected that when ACA became somewhat fully effective in 2014, had ACA not been enacted, the premiums people would have been paying at that time would have been 30 to 45% more than they were when the first ACA policies were issued.

            So that when some people complained that the first ACA premiums were say $500/mo, had ACA not been enacted, people would have already been paying between $700 to $900/mo in 2013 for similar policies. So when they talk about ACA’s premium increases today, they fail to realize that had ACA not been enacted, premiums could in 2016 have been double what the ACA premiums were which they’re complaining about: so if their ACA premiums was going up to say $800/mo – it could have already gotten to $1,600/mo had ACA not been enacted.

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          6. Eleanore Whitaker June 28, 2017

            One of the reasons I loathe Big Insurance and believe it to be on a par with gambling is this: For over 4 decades my Mom paid into a Prudential life insurance policy faithfully every month. When she died, that lousy Prudential company paid here only $3,000 of that policy making every excuse in the book for why that was ALL the policy was worth.

            Well, I decided to do a little bit of my accounting style math. Over the years, Prudential increased her premiums 15 times in 4 plus decades. When I tallied what she paid in monthly premiums, it came to $50,000. This is why I know Big Insurance is a fraud.

            In 2007, Prudential had used, like so many insurance companies then, blew 80% of the premiums paid into foreign exchange type of investments. When the September 2008 Financial Meltdown took place under GWB, Prudential was one of the corporations that begged a TARP bailout.

            I often told her that she’d be far better off if instead of paying for life insurance, she invested her money in some other interest paying savings.

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        2. Independent1 June 28, 2017

          And the deflection and outright lies just keep rolling of your immoral/inhumane fingertips!!!

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      3. RichFromShowMe June 28, 2017

        “and GOP politicians have over the past couple years snuck in changes that are causing insurer costs to rise”.

        This, of course is bogus as obambacare was built to be impervious to changes and applications of Common Sense.

        If you can prove your statement I will certainly agree with parts of your assumptions.

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    2. InformedVoter June 27, 2017

      Poor ID1 is so full of hot air. He regularly gets his points shredded by fellow posters. I don’t understand why he even bothers to make a post. He proudly has stated that the auto bailout earned a several billion dollar profit – when it lost $9.2 billion. But that’s just typical of the low information sheep on the left.
      Keep up the good work. The truth just drives them crazy!

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      1. I know a joke June 27, 2017

        You literally refused to believe the FBI was part of the DOJ, for days. You are the dumbest person here and your opinion is worth absolutely nothing.

        I hope that helps!

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

          They have no choice but to refuse to believe facts and truth. Mental patients always do. When it comes to reality, these right wingers live in the Trump Dimension, that is to say, they only know what they hear out of the Lard Ass’s mouth.

          These guys are lazy bums who spend night and day online, no jobs, no intentions of being responsible for themselves and their needs and refuse to accept reality. Most mental patients do too.

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          1. InformedVoter June 27, 2017

            Poor Elle, you retired from an assistant to a supply clerk and have to scratch out a meager living. I’m still working (although I could retire at any time) and pulling down $14k/month so your comments about “no jobs, no intentions …” sure rings hollow!. But what else would one expect from such low information sheep?

            So the “unconstitutional” ban was declared to be constitutional after all. You kept harping it was not constitutional and I kept saying it’s the same EO issued by obozo in 2011.
            And what about the beating assoff took in GA! I just loved watching the dismal faces of the news folks at CNN, MSNBC, etc.
            It was the HilLIARy whipping all over again!

            I sure hope you sheep keep old Pelosi around longer. By the time she leaves, the Dem party will no longer exist. Sanders will start up a new party, one that could even win an election.

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

            Poor Misinformed. I retired as an office manager and tech writer. Unlike you, I don’t need to lie about who I am. By the way, I notice you have an unusually large number of posts compared to normally sane people. But you don’t have

            By the way, do try not to copy the smear campaign tactics of your Lard Ass. He’s already in enough trouble as it is.

            Hillary won the popular vote and the only way the GOP ever wins is by some external means like the SC, hanging chads in a brother’s state or rigging an election by Putin. No need for you to deny it.

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          3. InformedVoter June 27, 2017

            Poor Elle, the Haloperdol-brained looney.
            Now you were an office manager, that makes 14 different careers you have claimed. Fess up, you were an assistant to a supply clerk and you know it.

            HilLIARY won the popular vote in CA. For the rest of the country, President Trump won by 1.5 million votes. OK, HilLIARY can be president of CA.

            President Trump in trouble? Hardly, he’s just beginning and he’s delivering on his campaign promises, much better than obozo did.

            The Dems have lost over 1100 seats since obozo took office. They’ve lost every election since November too! Your con artist assoff lost big time, even after you sheep said he would handily win. No hanging chads, no Russia interference, no nothing except the voters rejected him.

            Now that the Russia attempts at hacking point back to obozo being in collusion, what will you do? Why make up more lies and FAKE “scandals”.

            So please explain how Russia hacked the GA election.

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          4. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

            Hey low life. I had great jobs. I worked. I didn’t spend all day like you do online trolling.

            I worked 44 years of my life and had only 4 jobs in that time. I owned my first business as everyone on this thread knows when I was 21 and my second by age 26.

            Unlike you, who has to hide your prison record, I have never been to jail. My co workers were intelligent men and women with more education than you have ever had.

            Now do me a favor. Post something you can actually prove. No one cares that you are a liar. Just don’t expect me to condone it.

            You love anything evil. No surprise there. You’d support Satan if you thought he would give you some sense of validity.

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          5. InformedVoter June 27, 2017

            Poor Elle, caught in your web of lies so you make up another version of your working life. Get a life!
            I’ve told you before what my educational background was. I do have a PhD in a science, so if you co-workers have more education than me, good for them!
            I’ve never been arrested and only have one traffic stop (I talked my way out of the ticket). Since you think that having a criminal record is important, it must be that you have some dark past yourself. You continually berate males and those who dare take you down in these forums. This is not a contest to see who can beat up the most. The intent is to inform folks and when you low information lefties post your lies, I’m doing the world a favor in calling you out on those lies. Hopefully, whey you low information sheep get exposed to the truth, you may see the error of you ways.
            You claim President Trump is evil. Millions consider obozo evil too. It goes both ways.

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          6. Eleanore Whitaker June 28, 2017

            Hey moron! When I worked with a PhD from MIT in ChemE, the MSME educated at Cambridge England and I joked that PhD meant, Piled High and Deep.

            You have a PhD in science? Good. Now tell me what the static pressure in a counter current industrial scrubber should be if it has a 24 hour process? Tell me what is the composition of biolfilter biomass. Tell me what the RPMs of an industrial fan should be with a thruput in pph?

            Get over yourself moron. I don’t fall for your BS because I know anyone with a PhD only knows what’s in books. I know that watching that PhD scour his “ChemE books” for nearly 25 years. If he couldn’t find it in the Federal Register, OSHA or as a CAS number, he was dead in the water.

            Sorry if you fall far below the average of intelligence. Those of us who are autodidactic don’t need books. We have photographic memory that stores like Cloud Computing. Eat it pallie.

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          7. dpaano June 28, 2017

            Eleanore….why do you bother arguing with these trolls? It’s such a waste of time for you and it only makes them continue on and on with their BS. Most of us on this site are TOO smart to have to deal with these idiots……block him!!

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          8. InformedVoter June 29, 2017

            Hey dpaano, a racist and bigot for using racial slurs over and over. Block all you wish, other can still see your stupid comments and the wisdom of ours.

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          9. InformedVoter June 29, 2017

            Oh wow, so the only person who supports your post is a racist and she proved it by using racial slurs time and again.
            So you worked with a PhD (we called it piled higher and deeper). So you emptied their waste baskets and brought them coffee. Good job!
            Yup, PhD holders only know what’s in books. And you wonder why you can’t reason your way out of a paper bag.

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        2. InformedVoter June 27, 2017

          Sorry HELLPy, but you can change names all you wish but you’re still running below 20% accuracy rate. Meanwhile, I’m still running just about 95% accurate.
          Spoiler Alert: I NEVER made the claim you posted. This of course lends your inaccuracy counts.
          So I know you were salivating over the GA election because, like Elle, you believed the FAKE MSM polls that assoff was leading. Pretty neat of the GOP to link assoff to Pelosi – that turned the tide in Handel’s favor and big time!

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

            Now, Misinformed changes his story …Wow..Trump lies and distorrtions and back pedaling…Still a copycat I see?

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          2. InformedVoter June 27, 2017

            Sorry Elle, I never changed my story. Since what I posted is true why would I change it?

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          3. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

            Now now…Denials will get you no points with Putin troll boy.

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          4. InformedVoter June 27, 2017

            OK Elle, prove I changed my story! Got you!

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          5. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

            Now do us all a favor and take your “meds.” After all, thorazine does work much better than those steroids you live on.

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          6. InformedVoter June 27, 2017

            It must be you on thorazine, you and HilLIARy! Ha, HA, HA

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          7. InformedVoter June 27, 2017

            Why would you even believe a dummy like HELLpy. He has to change his moniker to keep from getting booted off the forums.

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          8. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

            Here is how all “sane” people manage their “belief” systems:
            A. We see or hear certain claims.
            B. We do our homework to verify these claims from at least three expert sources.
            C. We then form our own opinions based on the claimant and the sources who help form our opinions.

            This is how it’s done in tech writing. When I wrote a white paper on HCFCs, I used at least a half dozen expert sources, including interviewing a college professor on the subject.

            If you cannot provide unbiased references, your posts have zero value and are ONLY your opinion. You are always entitled to your opinion. You are NEVER entitled to your own facts and truths.

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          9. InformedVoter June 27, 2017

            Poor Elle, that makes 15 different 30-year careers you claim to have had. How old are you? You have to be 450-500 years old! Damn.

            You keep claiming I have no references, yet your claims of hacking the GA election is truly a lie. Not one news source has made that statement. Yet somehow you seem that you have presented facts to prove it’s true.

            Why do you think you get attacked so often? You are unhinged!

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          10. I know a joke June 27, 2017

            OK sorry you’re really dumb and think I’ve changed accounts.

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          11. InformedVoter June 29, 2017

            I still know you’re HELLpy, the usually inaccurate poster. You accused me (incorrect once more, but no surprise there) of having to change my account name because I was banned. It turns our you have to rename yourself to get folks to even read the drivel you write.

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          12. I know a joke June 29, 2017

            Yes, you ARE really really stupid – I just said that. Also, you are making up crazy gibberish again.

            Anyway you’re a traitor and a dumb one. I hope that helps!

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          13. InformedVoter June 30, 2017

            Hey HELLpy, the poster of usually inaccurate statements – YUP you made the above claim, and on more than one occasion. You have made some really whoppers and you wonder why your accuracy rate is below 20%

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          14. I know a joke June 30, 2017

            So no link, huh. I just got voted Most Accurate And Best Poster and given six gold stars.

            Reply
          15. InformedVoter July 1, 2017

            Hey HELLpy, just more of your inaccurate posts. Keep up the good work and your accuracy rate will continue to fall.

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          16. I know a joke July 1, 2017

            So no link, huh. I just got voted Most Accurate And Best Poster and given six gold stars.

            Reply
          17. InformedVoter July 3, 2017

            Hey HELLpy, still lowering your accuracy rate I see.

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          18. I know a joke July 3, 2017

            So no link, huh. I just got voted Most Accurate And Best Poster and given six gold stars.

            Reply
          19. InformedVoter July 8, 2017

            Hey HELLpy, Do you realize how many of your fellow posters are laughing at you since they saw the link and your miserable accuracy rate!

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          20. So no link, huh. I just got voted Most Accurate And Best Poster and given six gold stars.

            Reply
          21. I know a joke July 3, 2017

            Hey crazy lunatic who argues with a bot that never even varies its response, still going on about a non-existent accuracy rating I see.

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          22. InformedVoter July 6, 2017

            Hey HELLpy, the poster of usually inaccurate information. Yet another inaccurate comments – your supposed autobot posts DO vary, as the system does not permit duplicates.
            And you wonder why you’re accuracy rate is so low.

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          23. So no link, huh. I just got voted Most Accurate And Best Poster and given six gold stars.

            Reply
          24. InformedVoter July 6, 2017

            Hey HELLpy, you’re just digging a deeper and deeper hole.

            Reply
          25. So no link, huh. I just got voted Most Accurate And Best Poster and given six gold stars.

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          26. InformedVoter July 8, 2017

            Poor HELLpy, the lowest accuracy rate poster of all time!

            Reply
          27. So no link, huh. I just got voted Most Accurate And Best Poster and given six gold stars.

            Reply
          28. InformedVoter July 8, 2017

            Hey Least Accurate poster – the more you make your stupid post, the lower your accuracy rate goes. And that’s according to the link on accuracy.

            Reply
          29. So no link, huh. I just got voted Most Accurate And Best Poster and given six gold stars.

            Reply
      2. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

        What a liar you are! The only ones who get shredded are you and your brethen in lies, RichieBitchy.

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        1. InformedVoter June 27, 2017

          Poor Elle, the only “friends” you have are fellow low information sheep on these forums. Since you claim I’m wrong so often, then please explain how I kept saying President Trump ans Handel were leading and you kept saying I was a liar.

          Please explain how you kept posting that the travel ban would be struck down because it was unconstitutional, while I claimed it was constitutional and would be upheld by the SCOTUS.

          Yup, you keep making your stupid claims and I just keep racking up victories against you low information sheep.

          Talk about a loser.

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker June 29, 2017

            The only friends you have are your prison pen mates. My friends wouldn’t look your way if you were dressed in a Trump Mexican manufactured $800 suit.

            I don’t hang around with scum. You are scum and you can’t admit it.

            The travel ban in effect ONLY allows the President to decide on what is and isn’t a national security threat. Next time assface, watch the SC hearings. Instead of wishing the tramp slut Melania could be your bed partner Fantasy boy.

            Did you mommy allow someone to step on your head when you were an infant so she didn’t have to look at your ugly mug? That would account for how stupid and ignorant you are and why you make such an ass of yourself.

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker June 29, 2017

            The friends I have you could only wish for. Most of them are engineers with PhDs, scientists with degrees a dipshit like you can’t earn and people in high political places. Remember assface? I worked for a CEO who became a Senator.

            Stop the fantasies little boy. When your dick finally reaches 1 inch then you get to post.

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          3. InformedVoter June 29, 2017

            Sorry Elle, but, as usual, you are WRONG! You emptied the waste basket for a CEO, big deal!
            More career fantasies you just keep posting. I can’t imagine who you can get to believe your lies.
            Meanwhile, with my PhD, I’m gainfully employed and enjoying traveling around the world and shredding low information sheep like you.

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    3. I know a joke June 27, 2017

      OK sorry to hear you’re so incredibly misinformed as to think any of that gibberish was true, or even made sense. Stay in school, kids!

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      1. mike June 27, 2017

        Prove Richfromshowme wrong douche bag!

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

          That one is easy to do. Try not to lie as often as your Lard Ass in Chief does. Simply go to the US Dept. of Banking and Insurances.gov site and you will see that as of January 2017, 22 million Americans had finally been enrolled in healthcare.

          Awwwww what’s the matter rip off artist? Can’t extort more money from the rest of us? Can’t dump the cost of your heathcare on us?

          Funny you have no problem finding the money for that arsenal of AK47s and that bull nosed bully boy pick up truck with the Stars and Bars flying. Where did you get THAT money from?

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          1. mike June 27, 2017

            How’s Hillary doing?
            You are such a piece of sh$t and a fuc&ing liar.
            http://dailysignal.com/2017/01/13/why-obamacares-20-million-number-is-fake/
            http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-pol-obamacare-sign-up-20170315-story.html
            It seems your fake numbers are now verified by multiple sources.

            Ta Ta you effin beach.

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          2. I know a joke June 28, 2017

            Sorry you’re still Mad About A Woman, you terrified weenie.

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          3. Eleanore Whitaker June 29, 2017

            Mike overdosed so badly on Viagra that his “organ” small as it always is with these fantasy boys, fell off. He couldn’t get it reattached because Super Glue didn’t work for him. roflmao.

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          4. Eleanore Whitaker June 29, 2017

            Hillary just gave a very successful speech this week for graduates at univeristy you couldn’t ever hope you or any of your troglodyte brat kids could attend.

            She’s fine. How’s Trump now that Trump Care is a POS going no where? Ta Ta you effin dick.

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          5. mike June 29, 2017

            How funny! Whoopty do, she gave speech to a bunch of snot nosed kids not world leaders. She is a loser and is irrelevant in todays world. She can’t even admit she was the cause of her defeat but continues to say it’s the Russians and the DNC.
            As usual you are very wrong about about my offsprings universities. The only troglodytes I see are a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals on the left.
            Just remember he has another 1300 days in office. That’s a long long time.
            Ta Ta you effin cuntface.

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          6. Eleanore Whitaker June 30, 2017

            Awwww…What’s the matter Mikeeeeeeeeeeeeee? Your Lard Ass has not been asked to speak at any top US university? Hillary has never been charged and found guilty of money laundering to terrorists. Lard Ass has. Start there moron.

            As for your attempts to play down why Hillary lost to salve your little bruised ego or what remains of it, anyone who has lived with Trump in their media as we in the Metro area have for 4 decades, know Trump cheats to win. He does that by encouraging as he did in October 2016 Russians to release Hillary’s personal emails. As if anything in HER personal emails could compare to those of Trump’s who has one whole hell of a lot to hide. So much so that he has fired anyone tied to the investigation. Got a lame ass excuse for that too?

            Do yourself a favor Putin troll. Go find yourself common ground with the other right wing idiots paid by Putin whose only job is to get onto threads where you asshats can contradict truth and facts.

            By the way, You do know that Trump’s buddy, Roger, testified before the Special Prosecutor.

            Trump didn’t win the election and neither did the Republicans. When you have to cheat by trying to invade personal emails that are none of your goddamn business, you only prove what a low life bum you are.

            Now..go find another thread to post on. Your posts are not wanted by the rest of us. You’ve failed your Lard Ass and worse, you failed Poo Poo Putin.

            Reply
        2. I know a joke June 27, 2017

          Sorry I don’t speak Russian.

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    4. Jan123456 June 28, 2017

      Not sure where the 23 million comes from, but, guess its just more FAKE NEWS.

      A couple things you’re missing.

      1. People on Medicaid that will lose benefits and the safety net it provides
      2. Companies that will no longer be required to provide insurance for their employees.

      See chart on page 47.

      https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/115th-congress-2017-2018/costestimate/52849-hr1628senate.pdf

      Competition and the individuals ability to buy whatever coverage they
      want from whatever insurer they want, coupled with state managed
      Medicare and subsidies for those who truly can’t afford (reduced
      premium) health insurance will clean up the debacle of obambacare . .
      but it can’t be done overnight.

      Isn’t that what we had prior to 2010…and what administrations since Truman have been trying to change since it didn’t work for so many?

      (2) insurers dropping out of the market before going broke

      They were “going broke” because congress did not pay the subsidies that were promised. Trump issued an EO that essentially stopped the IRS from its enforcement of the individual mandate thus shrinking the risk pool.

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      1. RichFromShowMe June 28, 2017

        The CBO and the Left “estimated” the 23 million, which is why I don’t know where that number came from.

        obambacare has been going bankrupt from the 2nd day it was sold to America . . . it’s now on the precipice of the Abyss. President Trump has been in office around 5 months, not 6+ years 🙂

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        1. Jan123456 June 28, 2017

          Well, if you don’t want to read the CBO report, I can’t force you. I can only present actual evidence.

          President Trump has been in office around 5 months, not 6+ years 🙂

          His was only one of the, most recent, acts of sabotage. A GOP led congress did its part – and it has been in charge for years.

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker June 29, 2017

            Rich’s only claim to fame is his low IQ. He can’t read. They don’t teach reading, math or science in DogPatch.

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  7. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

    To prove RichieBoy is a liar: This comes from Bloomberg News: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-09-14/how-many-are-insured-because-of-obamacare-great-question.

    And in case the bitchy wingers can’t read or are too illiterate:

    From that same article: “In 2010, the Congressional Budget Office projected that by 2016, 32 million people would have gained coverage under the Affordable Care Act. By 2012, this number was revised down to 30 million. By April 2014, the projection had fallen again, to 25 million. By March of this year, Congress’s forecasters were guessing 22 million.

    But wait: Why would we mess around with projections? We have real numbers! Erm, yes, we have … too many numbers. We have a poll from Gallup, which suggests that the number of uninsured people has fallen from a high of 18 percent in 2013 to 11 percent today, which would give us about 22 million people. The latest data from the Centers for Disease Control suggests that the number of uninsured has declined roughly 22 million since 2013, and 17.8 million since 2010 (darn you, financial crisis!). And today we got data from the Census Bureau, which suggests that the number of uninsured people has fallen from 13.3 percent to 9.1 percent since 2013, or by about 12.8 million. There are other surveys too. But we hardly need more numbers.”

    Nothing like making fools of liars in the anarchist right wing.

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  8. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

    Before I retired from environmental engineering in 2013 as an accounting manager/tech writer for nearly 25 years, I was responsible for administering the employer’s HMO. Every September, these crooks did the same thing. Their spiel was always the same: “We can get you a much lower cost for your employees healthcare.” BS. The minute it was time for renewal the following year, the cost of the plans doubled to make up for the prior year’s loss.

    Then, there was the same BS question, “What is the median age of your employees?” Response then? 50. The next thing you heard was a click and the line went dead.

    The reality is that prior to the ACA, there were only six Major HMOs monopolizing the entire industry. There was NO competition. How could there be if only 6 HMOs were making all the rules, regulations and decisions? Not to mention the price gouging.

    What the liars of the right love to slather around is that the ACA had price increases. No. It DID NOT. Any price increases were due to Republicans sabotaging it by refusing to implement state run ACA agencies.

    NY has an ACA agency. NJ doesn’t. NY pays 11% LESS for their healthcare than NJ. Keep up your lies boys. When one of your own gets fed up and your slash and burn kills one of their loved ones, they just might take all those guns you love them to have and ram them up your backsides.

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  9. Eleanore Whitaker June 27, 2017

    Ideally, all Big Insurance wants is a flush of monthly premiums paid for doing zip. Figure it out. All they want is to enroll ONLY healthy people. Do that for 25 years and how much work do they do and how much PURE profit are they taking in for zero claims filed? Gee, not even Madoff was that good at extortion.

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