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If Inequality Worries Republicans, Why Do They Keep Making It Worse?

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If Inequality Worries Republicans, Why Do They Keep Making It Worse?

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You can tell things have gotten very bad when the issue of economic inequality — a serious national problem mostly ignored for more than three decades — is suddenly in political vogue. And you can be sure things have gotten very, very bad when Republicans — who usually insist that inequality is natural, inevitable, even beneficial — suddenly claim they’re worried about it, too.

As the 2016 contenders officially declare their intentions, all of them seem aware that voters want to restore a vestige of fairness to the American economy. Regardless of personal ideology or political reliance on plutocratic billionaires, every presidential candidate must, at the very least, display concern for working families, single mothers, indebted students, and everyone struggling to achieve or maintain a decent living.

Yet how concerned are they, really? In the video that announced her candidacy, Hillary Clinton spoke briefly but bluntly: “Americans have fought their way back from tough economic times, but the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top. Everyday Americans need a champion, and I want to be that champion.” The only Democrat in the race so far, Clinton realizes that a populist agenda will be required to excite her party base — and to answer those who regard her as too wealthy and too well connected to empathize with the downtrodden.

That unflattering portrait omits many relevant facts about Clinton’s life, from her own modest origins to her many years of advocacy for the disadvantaged, especially women and children. She spoke out publicly about economic fairness long before doing so became politically fashionable, both as a United States senator and during her last presidential campaign. Now the skeptics can listen and decide for themselves.

But voters should also listen closely to the Republicans who mock Clinton’s populism and assert that they are the true spokesmen for the working class. What do they propose to address inequality? And how “authentic” is their concern?

At least two of the Republican candidates, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) and Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX), want to institute a so-called flat tax — which would severely exacerbate inequality by reducing tax levies on the wealthy and increasing the burden on everyone else. Such plans would cost the Treasury an annual amount estimated between $700 billion and $1 trillion. Yet Paul and Cruz insist that they will simultaneously slash taxes, increase defense spending, and balance the budget — and so does Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL), who proposes his own regressive tax breaks for the rich.

Those promises are mathematically impossible — unless, perhaps, the federal government permanently ended all discretionary spending on student aid, unemployment insurance, health care, veterans benefits, environmental protection, food safety, and dozens of other programs necessary to working- and middle-class families. Somehow they never mention that part.

While decrying economic inequality, Republicans tend not to emphasize their other proposed giveaways that would benefit wealthy donors, such as Paul’s plan to end capital gains taxes, or Rubio’s plan to end not only all taxes on capital gains but on interest and inherited estates, too — leaving only wage earners to be taxed. Schemes like this delight the Koch brothers precisely because they would heighten inequality to an even more astronomical level.

Although Republicans often mention the “right to rise,” as Jeb Bush would put it, they’re hostile to any measure that would actually elevate the incomes of those at the bottom — for example, increasing the minimum wage. Indeed, they tend to be opposed to the very idea of a legislated wage floor because, as Rubio once said, “I don’t think a minimum-wage law works.”

The Florida senator’s economic knowledge is as weak as his budgetary arithmetic. The most recent studies show that in states without a minimum- wage law, inequality is considerably worse than in states with a minimum wage that is at least a dollar above the federal minimum.

But don’t worry, Rubio says he knows a better way to reduce inequality than either higher wages or fairer taxes. Instead, for people languishing in low-wage jobs, government should “incentivize the creation of innovations in education that are accessible.”

So he offers something for everyone: The wealthy get still more big tax cuts; and the not-so-wealthy get a few phrases of incomprehensible, pseudo-wonkish jargon.

How can you think that Republicans don’t care?

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Joe Conason

A highly experienced journalist, author and editor, Joe Conason is the editor-in-chief of The National Memo, founded in July 2011. He was formerly the executive editor of the New York Observer, where he wrote a popular political column for many years. His columns are distributed by Creators Syndicate and his reporting and writing have appeared in many publications around the world, including the New York Times, the Washington Post, The New Yorker, The New Republic, The Nation, and Harpers.

Since November 2006, he has served as editor of The Investigative Fund, a nonprofit journalism center, where he has assigned and edited dozens of award-winning articles and broadcasts. He is also the author of two New York Times bestselling books, The Hunting of the President (St. Martins Press, 2000) and Big Lies: The Right-Wing Propaganda Machine and How It Distorts the Truth (St. Martins Press, 2003).

Currently he is working on a new book about former President Bill Clinton's life and work since leaving the White House in 2001. He is a frequent guest on radio and television, including MSNBC's Morning Joe, and lives in New York City with his wife and two children.

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  1. Daniel Jones April 17, 2015

    Republicans worry about their sponsors losing possible money and their base lumpen constituency losing their ignorance.

    So they really worry about inequality.. ending.

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  2. 1standlastword April 17, 2015

    (1/2) At least two of the Republican candidates, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) and Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX), want to institute a so-called flat tax — which would severely exacerbate inequality by reducing tax levies on the wealthy and increasing the burden on everyone else. Such plans would cost the Treasury an annual amount estimated between $700 billion and $1 trillion.

    AND

    (2/2) Those promises are mathematically impossible — unless, perhaps, the federal government permanently ended all discretionary spending on student aid, unemployment insurance, health care, veterans benefits, environmental protection, food safety, and dozens of other programs necessary to working- and middle-class families.
    Somehow they never mention that part. !!

    ******************************************************************************************************
    The modern ‘pernicious republicanism’ !!!

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  3. Michael Ross April 18, 2015

    Plain and simple, their “concern” for inequality only pertains to how it will reflect on the 2016 election.

    They don’t care about inequality — the the contrary, they very much want to increase it as much as possible (this is hardly conjecture — restricting voting rights to landowners is a publicly expressed wet dream of both of the authoritarian and libertarian wing). But that will only happen if, in 2016, they can con enough of America’s working poor into voting for them.

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  4. Dominick Vila April 18, 2015

    Why do Republicans remain intent on making inequality worse? Because trying to fix the problem requires abandoning everything they believe in. From their belief that trickle down economics is the panacea that will cure all economics ills, to their refusal to raise the minimum wage, and their determination to repeal, eliminate, or privatize the safety net that so many poor and senior citizens depend on to survive, to their rejection of free community college or trade school education, their abhorrence of subsidies for those who cannot afford high insurance premiums while supporting subsidies for wealthy farmers and corporations, and favorable taxation for the wealthy, their agenda encompasses all the elements that contribute to the growing financial inequality that exists in the USA. The only way they could help solve this untenable situation is to change party affiliation, and that is not going to happen.

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    1. plc97477 April 18, 2015

      I am not sure it is that complicated. They just taking their marching orders from the people that like what the republicans believe and what it does to our economy.

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    2. CrankyToo April 18, 2015

      Get some, Mr. Vila!

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  5. AlfredSonny April 18, 2015

    Republicans are making things harder for me to remain Independent. They claim they are bible-loving Christians. Yet, their actions are not what Jesus Christ would support. Would JC be repealing affordable health care? Would JC be supportive of the Rich at the expense of the poor and middlers? Would JC be supportive of Men at the expense of Women? Would JC be supportive of the guns? Would JC be supportive of the Inequality? Would JC support family values and force families to break up?

    My dear Republicans, please help me remain Independent by being consistent, genuine, sincere and attentive to 99% Americans instead of the 1% freeloaders.

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    1. plc97477 April 18, 2015

      Don’t hold your breath. Not going to happen soon.

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    2. idamag April 19, 2015

      I always ask them, how much did Jesus charge for healing the sick?

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      1. AlfredSonny April 19, 2015

        That is a smart and thought-proking question! 😀

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  6. bobnstuff April 18, 2015

    You all misunderstand the Republicans. It’s not that they don’t love the poor and middle class. They are math challenged. The can’t add 2 plus 2 and get 4. They have no
    understanding of economics are what it costs to provide the basic to live in this country. Beware of Republican math.

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    1. Allan Richardson April 18, 2015

      They believe two plus two should be one for you and a hundred for them.

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    2. john Baldwin April 18, 2015

      Oh, believe me , they know they just think we are stupid !

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  7. Eleanore Whitaker April 18, 2015

    Republican men are practiced in the art of deception. This isn’t to say that their opposition doesn’t also deviate from dyed-in-the-wool facts. However, the GOP is a party out of control. They ignore totally their responsibility to do what they were elected to do and not what their biggest campaign donors want.

    But, the fun part? Now that US corporations have divested individual taxpayers of massive tax subsidies, lived in the lap of luxurious tax exemptions, they’ve broken the consumer class who can no longer hand them these lush federal and state benefits AND stay ahead of the constant round of price gouging.

    NO…Republicans do not really care about inequality. If they did, they’d have realized sooner than later that you can’t take tax dollars from individual taxpayers and use it as they please..especially when what the GOP pleases always always has the word “business” as the underlying and back room agenda.

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    1. 788eddie April 18, 2015

      I agree with You Eleanor, but only to add that there are now a few Republican women who also are getting pretty good at obfuscating the issues.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker April 18, 2015

        Women have had to “learn” the techniques men know from birth regarding obfuscation. Women rarely start out on any venture with the idea they can find some way to deliberately dismantle, obstruct or confuse.

        I worked in all male workplaces, i.e., sales (back in the 80s sales were still the domain of men, one woman was finally hired in 1983) financial, chemistry and engineering. When you are the only woman in the room, you observe the daily male penchant for sabotaging each other as if it was an unwritten part of their job descriptions.

        So..yes..women can confuse men for no reason other than that SOME, not ALL, men never allow the light of reason to enter their brains. It’s their way or NO way. Everything actions and reaction of this type of man is predicated upon His and only His view of “what should be.”

        Women are notoriously unpredictable because we have to be. If we became predictable, we would be handing men the arsenal of weapons they need to erase the other gender.

        Women are capable of far more than they’ve been allowed to exhibit…this is not something any man can deny. Consider that women even in business today are the minorities…there simply is not an equal number of female CEOs to male CEOs and women who have tried to break through that glass ceiling have been soundly rejected, vilified and stepped over for promotions they and not their male counterparts, deserved.

        The army of women who worked in corporations are a testament to this fact of corporate life. It’s always been assumed women are math stupid, women can’t manage a business, women don’t belong in executive board meetings…on and on ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

        Fortunately for me, I worked with a woman who refused to tolerate male superiority. She owned her own business, was an ombudswoman to the SBA and broke through the male bastion of CEOs who sat on the Chamber of Commerce board.

        Those were the women of the 80s who were constantly in the line of fire like Hillary Clinton has been with the GOP. But now, more women like the famous “New Hampshire 11,” Wendy Davis and Elizabeth Warren are emerging as women who will NOT stand down to any man when he is clearly in the wrong.

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        1. john Baldwin April 18, 2015

          All men are not stupid, some of us know that Hilary is by far the best candidate running.

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        2. 788eddie April 19, 2015

          Point taken. Thanks.

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      2. idamag April 19, 2015

        There have been some Republican women , who come on these boards who can be pretty ugly. For example: Sarah Palin.

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  8. atc333 April 18, 2015

    They “assert that they are the true spokesmen for the working class”.

    Pretty much like Fox News Entertainment, with its “Fair and Balanced” coverage, ranked as.” False, or Pants on Fire False” statements 66% of the time by at least one major fact checking organization. Wake up voters of America, the GOP stands for: The Party of Greed, Oligarchy, and Profit. Yesterday’s vote in the House leaves no doubt about it..

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    1. mike April 18, 2015

      For sake of discussion would love to see what those 66% look like. How producing them for all to see??

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      1. ATC333 April 18, 2015

        Check it out: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/
        There are other sites, one which did come up with the 66%

        On this particular site, Fox statements were True 14% of the time.

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          1. ATC333 April 18, 2015

            You forgot the other surveys which demonstrated that Fox News Entertainment regular viewers are the least well informed viewers out of all of the top news organizations, scoring even worse on knowledge than individuals who watched no regular news programming.

            http://www.poynter.org/news/mediawire/174826/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/

            http://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5

            Fox News Entertainment may be “trusted” by its viewers, but perhaps it is because they have a lack of knowledge of what is really going on in our Political system

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          2. mike April 18, 2015

            Thanks, but no cigar! I gave you 2015 info, you gave me 2012.
            Fox continue to grow, has out numbered CNN and MSNBC with viewers. Something must be moving the numbers! MSNBC is just about to go under because of poor audience numbers, and is changing their programming.
            Numbers don’t lie!

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          3. bobnstuff April 18, 2015

            Ratings and truth are not the same things. People believed in a lot of things that are not true. Look at some of the things you believe in.

            http://www.politifact.com/search/?q=fox+news

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          4. mike April 18, 2015

            The numbers don’t lie, Fox is growing and has more viewers than any other cable News, that is a fact.
            i will take my facts over yours any day.

            What I notice on the site were opinions of different individuals. People can change positions, look at Obama,

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          5. bobnstuff April 18, 2015

            If ratings reflected truth then Pro Wrestling is the real thing.

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          6. mike April 18, 2015

            Nice try!!!

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          7. Sand_Cat April 18, 2015

            Pretty good one, actually.

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          8. mike April 19, 2015

            Only in your weird way of thinking.

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          9. Sand_Cat April 18, 2015

            Telling people what they want to hear has always been popular, something Saint Ronnie exploited to the max.

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          10. mike April 19, 2015

            I guess you didn’t read the politifact on NBC above.
            You seem to want to ignore Emperor Obama and his many lies, once his mouth starts to move, look out, the lies are flying.
            Or better yet, Hillary’s lies from, we were broke leaving the WH, to the latest this week of her family being immigrants.

            http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/apr/16/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-flubs-familys-immigration-history-/

            Watch her eyes, typical of a liar. Press directly in front of her, 11:11 you will see the press. Not upper left or right, watch the eyes of a liar.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAx384JGSGk

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          11. Sand_Cat April 19, 2015

            I thought I made it clear multiple times on this site that Obama – calling him “Emperor” only brands you as more out in right-wing la-la land – is a huge disappointment, and Hillary – in my opinion – is the worst possible candidate, excepting only all her GOP rivals who boost her image in a big way by their lies and actions. Hillary is even less a representative of the “left” than Obama, which is saying a lot, and I’d prefer a real liberal, who would have the high ground. You can go on about their “lies” – many of which are actually lies by their opponents – but both of them together can’t match Mitt Romney, nor his rivals last time, nor the likely GOP candidates and their supporters this time.

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          12. idamag April 19, 2015

            Read the book, “Carry Me Home Birmingham Alabama” and you will know what drives people like mike. When the Black People started to fight back at the bloody treatment and church bombings. they were labeled as “communist.” When the union struck for safer working conditions, they were labeled “communist.” Since J.Edgar Hoover was a racist, he labeled the civil rights marches as “communist.” Name calling is the bigot’s stock in trade. Bigots are a malignancy to the United States.

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          13. mike April 19, 2015

            I just responded to your “Saint Ronnie” remark with Obama trying to ignore Congress at every juncture. His latest was his attempt to ignore Congress and go straight to the UN with the most important negotiations in many years, which would effect the Middle East, the rest of the world and the US, the final Iran treaty. His actions were his attempt at being an emperor. You can try and play the semantics game but it was going to be a treaty. What happened is he got his comeuppance with a bipartisan vote that said he had to bring it to the Congress.

            No, both Obama and Hillary are liars, I just gave you two on Hillary. It will continue as Marie Antoinette makes her rounds of the country.

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          14. Sand_Cat April 20, 2015

            Once again, which of the GOP candidates, members of Congress, or other leaders are not liars, to which they add malice, selfishness, and greed.

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          15. mike April 20, 2015

            Hillary wants to be president and yet the first week out she gets caught in lies. Lied about the server, emails, clinton foundation, and broke coming out of the WH, when they made 16 million their first year.
            Greed?? Hillary giving 1 hour speeches for $300,000 each, and you want to talk about greed.

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          16. Sand_Cat April 20, 2015

            That is not what I asked.

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          17. mike April 20, 2015

            I am not interested in what you want. Hillary is your nominee and until the right has a candidate it isn’t worth my time or energy.
            Her first week and she continues to be caught in lies. What you can’t stand is this bubble wrapped nominee who is the most inauthentic person ever to run for high office.

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          18. Sand_Cat April 20, 2015

            That’s pretty obvious.
            Doesn’t make any of the crap you’re repeating any more credible as FACT.

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          19. Sand_Cat April 20, 2015

            Politifact link is gone.
            WOW. DID YOU EVER NAIL HER. JEEZ, IF SHE’D MAKE A MISTAKE ABOUT A CRITICAL THING LIKE THAT (ONLY ONE GRANDPARENT AN IMMIGRANT INSTEAD OF TWO!!!!!!!!), WHO KNOWS WHAT SHE MIGHT DO?
            Not even close, Mike. I’m sorry, but you really have gone off the rails. Any more trivial “lies” you’d like to tell us about, even though I said I wasn’t too fond of Hillary, anyway?

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          20. mike April 20, 2015

            Her mistake is a pattern but you are incapable of understanding.
            She is not ready for prime time, so they continue to bubble wrap her when it comes to talking to normal people. Now, how many political operatives have they had acting like common people.
            Not off the rails, just know that the Hillary machine continues to implode.
            She lies almost as much as Obama, open mouth lie. I see you ignored those $300 k speeches.

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          21. idamag April 23, 2015

            There was a time when people believed there were dragons in the forests. Brave knights set out and came back with tales of their conquests, for which they were rewarded.

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          22. Sand_Cat April 18, 2015

            No, they don’t, and they tell a sad story of the state of the country. Paul Krugman rightly said, “Elections determine who has the power, not who is right.”

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          23. mike April 19, 2015

            But the left in their weird way think they are always right and have the high ground. Which they don’t
            I hope you also have been fair and balanced and reviewed politifact on NBC I sent to bobnstuff below.

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          24. Sand_Cat April 19, 2015

            There really isn’t much of a “left,” just another weird way of thinking by the extreme right. What has NBC got to do with it? Fox was the topic, I thought.
            The right does have the “high ground”: most of them seem to be in outer space.
            Since MSNBC – is that who you were talking about – has pointed out some rather odd “facts” from Politifact – my memory may be failing here – they would naturally have a good motive to trash talk in return.

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          25. mike April 19, 2015

            There isn’t a left? Really!!! What are you smoking??
            “What does NBC have to do with it”, Really?? ata333 went after Fox with politifact and I gave you lefties their fact checking ratings on NBC/MSNBC which was no better.
            Wrong again on that high ground thing.
            MSNBC is going down the tubes,viewership is dropping and programs are being changed.
            FOX almost triples MSNBC and double CNN.

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          26. Sand_Cat April 20, 2015

            Popularity has nothing to do with truth

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          27. mike April 20, 2015

            Discerning people make their own decisions on if they are getting the truth, and the ratings show that MSNBC has little to no audience.
            This is not a popularity contest, this is about people feeling and seeing they are getting the truth. FOX wouldn’t be growing if not for that fact.

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          28. Sand_Cat April 20, 2015

            Actually, I was wrong. Popularity is often inversely proportional to the truth. There are a lot of angry people, many of them have little education and have been fed Fox and GOP lies for years. It’s been said before: red states generally have lower income, lower education levels, etc.
            It IS a popularity contest. How can you seriously suggest otherwise?

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          29. mike April 20, 2015

            Sorry, that is your warped opinion and pure Bull s$$t.

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          30. Sand_Cat April 20, 2015

            Look, we both disagree. No need to imply mental defects. Sorry, but you’re probably the first intelligent person I’ve ever heard suggest that TV ratings imply intellectually sound and accurate content, and I doubt you could support your position by examining the demographics of Fox viewers. TV is more warped, lowest-common denominator oriented and scandal-driven than the rest of the press.
            I’m sorry if “Saint” Reagan offends you, but it seems like pretty much every Federal Building in the country is named for him, he’s praised to high heaven, and I heard – admittedly on TV – that some jackass in Congress proposed naming the entire eastern seashore for him.
            I hope you can understand that I consider the man an ignorant person who made many racist and dishonest sttements, told anecdotes he apparently made up as fact, who appointed subordinates who attempted to set up a whole new agency known and answerable only to themwhether he knew or not – it says something about his choices

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          31. mike April 20, 2015

            I never said mental defects, I said warped opinions
            It is alright for you to call republican presidents whatever you want but not for me to call Obama what he thinks he is. Sorry, but that doesn’t work.
            Again, discerning people will make up their own minds as to content and that doesn’t make it a popularity contest. If the content is correct, then they will watch, if not they won’t. If CNN and MSNBC are so great, where are the viewers??
            If you are talking about Reagan and debt, lets get this straight. The House was controlled by Democrats during Reagan and Bush and senate all of Bush and 100st congress of Reagan. Casually count higher, baloney. More have died in Afghanistan under Obama than Bush, Ambassador murdered, etc..

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          32. Sand_Cat April 20, 2015

            Not talking about debt, but now that you mention it…

            Yes, discerning people can discern who tells what they want to hear and watch it.

            If this were the other way around, I can’t see your taking the position that popular is more accurate and better; thought you had more sense.

            And at least Obama got bin Laden; Bush and Cheney just threw away those lives (like the 9/11 people) with their incompetence. It was those two idiots who hit the tar baby in Iraq, too. And what would you have said had Obama said “we’re out of here” about Afghanistan? Don’t think you’d have been too nice. And your post ignores the point of mine, in any case.

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          33. mike April 20, 2015

            Now you are being a dishonest partisan.

            Rice, Tenet wrote, reacted positively to the briefing and asked her counter terrorism adviser, Richard Clarke, if he agreed with the assessment. Clarke said he did, and Tenet said he and his aides left the meeting feeling that Rice understood the threat. However, he wrote, the White House never followed up on the presidential finding that Tenet had been asking for since March, authorizing broader covert action against al-Qaida. That finding was signed by President Bush on Sept. 17, six days after the attacks.

            Roger Cressey, who was Clarke’s deputy and is now an NBC News counter terrorism analyst, says one thing that is missing from Tenet’s description of the events is that the intelligence pointed to overseas attacks. although CIA did tell officials that they couldn’t discount an attack on the US homeland.

            “Everything we had (from US intelligence) pointed overseas, specifically to the Gulf,” he said. “There was no actionable intelligence that pointed to the homeland. What we did know, and what we told domestic agencies, was there was “a disturbance in the force” and we were very worried about an attack.
            Your dishonesty is breathtaking.

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          34. Sand_Cat April 20, 2015

            I see one of your sources says O’Reilly and Fox.
            Are you REALLY prepared to say this loud-mouthed self-promoter is popular because he tells the truth?

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          35. mike April 20, 2015

            Keep trying!!!

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          36. Sand_Cat April 21, 2015

            Changed the subject about Fox, I see.
            In answer to your claims
            1) It was clear before the 2000 election that Bush & Cheney wanted a war with Iraq; as for the “intelligence,” the administration was known for re-writing or forcing rewrites of intelligence papers that did not suit their pre-judgments. They released lies that Bush was “praying” we wouldn’t have to go to war when it was obvious he couldn’t wait.
            2) Body counts: you conveniently omitted the estimated 1-200,000 Iraqis who died and the Americans who died on 9/11. I guess the former would never count to “conservatives,” You also overlooked those who died in Chile, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua with the support of various GOP administrations. And people are still dying there, as they are in Iraq. All these efforts turned out so well!
            3) Bumper stickers oversimplify, but sometimes express the truth succinctly. Try “When Clinton Lied, Nobody Died.” Written for Bill, but could apply to Hillary as well (so far). The lies you expose are trivial and overblown by your partisanship; Nixon’s and Reagan’s and both Bushes’ (you can add Johnson’s if you like) killed tens or hundreds of thousands. As I said before, Hillary looks hopelessly inadequate to stop our slide into a barbaric police-state corporate kleptocracy until I read the statements made and actions done by her GOP rivals, and from people who seem otherwise intelligent and thoughtful, such as you, but you keep going on as if I were a die-hard fan.
            This conversation has gone too far already: it is you who keep trying to make a mountain out of normal behaviors for the wealthy and political classes, but only when the member in question is to the left of insane.

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          37. mike April 21, 2015

            As I said before, keep trying.
            1. produce their actual statements.
            2. can’t change the facts about Obama and number of deaths.
            3. Hillary is a terrible politician and a true member of the 1% and yet she is going to try and talk about income inequality. Good luck with that.
            Typical of the left all they have is big govt. and identity politics to run on.

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          38. idamag April 23, 2015

            And if faux news is popular that says something awful about the intelligence level of the viewers. Without mental stimulation, one’s intelligence starts to decline. That yammering, on faux, is exacerbating the problem.

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          39. idamag April 19, 2015

            When fox was called on the carpet for false reporting, by the FCC, they claimed they were an entertainment channel. .

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        1. idamag April 19, 2015

          I seem to remember faux was chastised for false reporting.

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  9. itsfun April 18, 2015

    Hillary is in the top 1% of the 1% and the author is talking about how much she is in touch with the working class.

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    1. Allan Richardson April 18, 2015

      Of course anyone who IS currently in the working class has no chance to be elected to ANY office. The Kennedy family is wealthy, and they are not perfect, but they advocated, and when possible enacted, programs to give the working class and middle class a better opportunity to compete against the already rich. The fact that Hillary personally makes a high income TODAY is irrelevant; the question is what she DOES with that high income. Does she lobby for laws to help the rich get a bigger SHARE of the wealth, or for laws to help working people get ahead?

      I would trust even a KNOWN CROOKED Democrat over a Republican any day, because even if they are personally scrupulously honest, their INTENTIONS are to rig the system so that the poor subsidize the wealthy. And if they are not so honest, that merely adds insult (to working people) to the injury.

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      1. itsfun April 18, 2015

        Vote for any crook or thief you like. Sounds like having a honest person as our President is against your morals.

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        1. midway54 April 18, 2015

          How did you draw that conclusion from what he said rhetorically in comparing the very different goals between (even some corrupt) Democrats and (even honest) Republicans toward the economic, political. and yes, the social justice due all the citizens of the Country for a decent life unfettered by obstruction against and exploitation of them by the powerful whose interests are strongly (and historically I would add) advocated by the Republicans?

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          1. itsfun April 18, 2015

            He said he would trust a crooked democrat over any republican.
            That is saying he would rather have a crook in office than a honest republican.

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          2. Sand_Cat April 18, 2015

            Yep. Even a crook would probably be less vindictive, greedy, and selfish than any Republican running for president, but of course you ignore the obviousness of the rhetorical device because you can’t face the fact that it’s likely true.
            Plus, where would we find an honest Republican?

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        2. Sand_Cat April 18, 2015

          Certainly appears to be against yours.

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        3. Allan Richardson April 19, 2015

          You skipped over my words to produce a misleading conclusion. Actually, I do not believe most politicians are “crooks” in the sense of burglars, etc. But as I stated, EVEN if a progressive politician is crooked, he/she will do LESS damage and MORE good than a conservative, no matter how “honest” that conservative might be, because our problem is not too much spending, it is too much economic lawlessness.

          It is not balancing the government budget, it is balancing the budgets of working people, which in times of slowdown REQUIRES extra government spending, since the federal government is the ONLY entity which has (or should have) both the will to spend in order to restart circulation, and the funds to do so (since it can temporarily create the funds).

          As for “honesty,” telling the truth about your opponents rather than bearing false witness in order to deceive people into voting for you instead of them is ALSO a definition of honesty.

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          1. itsfun April 20, 2015

            I didn’t skip over your words. I believe the working class can still realize the “American Dream”. Look no further than Obama to show that. He was a kid of mixed race, no father in his life, poor and ended up President. Marco Rubio comes from a poor working class family. Cruz comes from a poor working class family. Hillary keeps her money and lives like royalty while preaching for the poor. She also has every right to keep her money. This is just a attempt to get the vote of the working people, not that she really gives a damn about us. Just look at her recent Iowa tour. Come to find out the so called average person she talked to was either a former campaign worker for the Democratic Party or another supporter. I don’t consider this type of behavior to be exactly honest.

            I don’t think we can spend or borrow ourselves into prosperity. High deficit spending and an outrageous national debt is not helping us. The government only gets extra money from us the taxpayers, the money just doesn’t come out of nowhere. The corporation taxes in our country are the highest in the world. You talk about telling the truth about your opponents to get elected. Remember Harry Reid deliberately lying about Mitt Romney on the US Senate floor. Harry just smiles now about that and seems to be very proud of that lie. How can we trust any politician when these types of things are allowed to happen? I am sure many on both sides of the aisle approve of lying. I don’t care which side a person believe in, I won’t ever vote for or support any proven liar. How can anyone ever trust or believe anything that comes out of a liars mouth.

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  10. Eddie McGrath April 18, 2015

    They’re worried about income inequality right up until the election then the intensity of that concern will be determined by the outcome of the election.

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  11. Leftout April 18, 2015

    Aaargh, again. This inequality stuff is a contrivance , women of late are even making better salaries then men because women are getting an education and men are getting lazy and dropping out. This says it all. Teachers at blamed for student performance… The students are to blame for not studying, picking inane majors in college that prepares them for ????. Even in the technical engineering / trades one must adapt to changing needs and technology. People who have been spoon fed and sheltered from reality and work , lack the creativity to think and get them selves going. As they say “Give a person a fish sandwich , he eats , show the person how to fish and he takes care of himself, unless we run out of fish, then there is broccoli and seeds. Do birds sit around all day waiting for food, no, they keep pecking away for themselves and their young ones. Family first except in human-dumb.

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    1. charley williams April 18, 2015

      You should go into politics, you are a Republican poster boy. When you have no constructive Ideas attack the victim ! Typical Republican reverse thinking !

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      1. Leftout April 18, 2015

        There you go blaming everyone else for victimhood. Constructive ideas are starting to engage in education, trades working part time while doing so, meeting people on all levels and experiencing successes.

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        1. charley williams April 18, 2015

          B.S. Crumbs thrown to the masses while the Rich siphon off the top !

          I have been working since 1972, when I started working at age 12, 3 hours a night 5 days a week 8 hours Sat. and 2 of 3 Sundays for 4 hours, summers 6 days a week and 2 of 3 Sundays, at 17 I started working year around ! I have been a Carpenter for 35 years, working for others and sub-contracting myself, employing up to 7 people at a time !

          What pisses me off is I can’t even start employee’s at what I started at when I started ! Because of the greed at the top !

          I have NEVER been afraid to work, the problem today is that isn’t enough, you have to either take advantage of your employees like the current business models, or short yourself !

          I seriously doubt you know what hard work is !

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          1. Leftout April 18, 2015

            I am sure you had it hard as many,. This is not a Peeing contest to see who works harde, we all have different experiences. What is a fair adjustment for you, suggestions to make things fair???

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          2. charley williams April 18, 2015

            Go back to the Income Tax structure before 1980, cut the tax brakes that make it easier to send investment monies oversea’s, then give tax breaks for money’s directly invested in the U.S. economy, also tax breaks on infrastructure improvements in the U.S. ! These were things we did in the 50s, 60s and 70s when we created the largest middle class the world has ever seen ! This puts people to work here not china !

            BTW before you say the the Tax structure before 1980 was unfair, I would like you to know my Grandfather went from a 2 car garage to a Multimillion dollar Car dealership from 1942 to 1980 ! And the Guy whose Farm I grew up on, went from a shovel and dump truck in 1932 to the 3rd largest Contractor in Mich.in the 70s !

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          3. Leftout April 18, 2015

            I absolutely agree, and lift NAFTA.the U.S. Is a self sustaining nation without shipping jobs across any border . If any country wants to manufacture cars at low wages ,let them do so, but do not ship that stuff back here. Keep them and let them buy it for themselves .

            We import policies that create mediocrity at home instead of exporting knowledge to help others be as enterprising excellent. As the U.S. Buy and make your own stuff , except Swiss chocolate for which I would pay extra .

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          4. charley williams April 18, 2015

            I totally agree about NAFTA, it was bad for the American worker from the start ! Our Trade Policy has been a joke for over 30 years ! Once again policy that started in the 80s, esp. importing of Foreign oil from the middle east while we capped off wells in the Gulf of Mexico ! I was in New Orleans trying to get offshore when Reagan did that !

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          5. Leftout April 18, 2015

            The people on this forum have better ideas on what works for Americans , politicians know how to please themselves only. I am a nobody and I knew NAFTA was totally against the common man.

            It really is time to let them know we are on to them and they must do right or literally they will be dragged from office. This is not only a one political party matter it is a people matter, it seems that once they get In There is no way to Get them out quickly. They really need a million man man March to their offices , when they are in session, which is ever so rare.,, no political party signs allowed just people signs .

            Are there people we can hire to do this, I am busy working.

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          6. bobnstuff April 18, 2015

            Try to look up how many jobs were lost because of NAFTA and you will find out that no one has a clue. I checked ten sites and I have seen numbers that say we created jobs because of NAFTA and that job loss is a myth as well as 7.8 million jobs lost. The best number I could come up with was 68,000 jobs truly lost or 100,000 Mexicans not coming to the US looking for work. Do you see a bunch of products made in Mexico on the store shelves? Had we kept those jobs in the US they would not be all that high paying by now. With Union busting and other factors they would be lucky to pay $15 per hour.

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          7. Leftout April 19, 2015

            Many jobs are entry jobs to get by till we improve our selves to higher level. Did many myself. Salaries Also are what ever we can grab , surely we all should have a minimum of ?? ???? What is that, it is all factored in to the cost of business, would we pay 20 bucks for a burger .

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          8. bobnstuff April 19, 2015

            Most non union manufacturing jobs pay under $20 per hour and in my area around $15 per hour for people that have been there a while. We didn’t loose one job at McDonald or Walmart because of NAFTA. Manufacturing jobs were going away long
            before NAFTA and not just to other countries. We have changed how we make thing in this country. A example is my local brewery used to need 300 people to make the beer, Now with their new plant they need 7 to produce the same amount. One other thing I will point out is that labor cost is only a small part of the cost of things, At Domino’s it’s less then 25% .

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          9. Leftout April 19, 2015

            Surely the manufacturing jobs were disappearing at the mills, due to newer technology, Fall River, Ma., carpet mills in the Carolinas and many harbor towns have huge lofts now converted to gentrified living quarters. But shipping jobs across borders and then swaying it can be made cheaper is not quite right. The newly formed jobs are much newer technology, in a different country. Johnson and Johnson does it right. They improved their Band aids , minus the ” opener string ” , I noticed . They expanded their operations to new quarters in New Brunswick, NJ……Sold many remaining lofts to Rutgers univ. And made the commitment to help the area grow, many schools, many graduates, many jobs. Many , many Pharmacy jobs all J&J. The original Johnsons lived in the area and still make it flourish. All of these J&J manufacturing groupings had a career ladder from environmental, to maintenance to CEO levels. These companies invested in the local area and should be models for all. Many companies leave only service industries behind to support over border manufacturing . Many service groups are transplanted to ALMOST English speaking countries to answer technical questions on US made ? Products . We all know how great THESE conversations can be. I hang up if they are not US companies supporting US products. Pseudo Visionary MBA s make Assisine decisions and do not consider NoN Visonary downstream affects.

            We still buy BMWs and Panera loaves of bread, but are they really better than homemade. All SUVs are price rigged to $40-45k. We buy them…made at home or abroad!!! Not affordable to anyone.
            Dominos pizza can cost $10 for a pepperoni , but if made at home it is $2.00. Even at .25 labor the homemade pie is way better in many ways. Where is the extra money going ???? Share holders, laziness factor, who cares !! ….we do not see it, but we complain at the end of week ….no money left to spend…..we spent it. How do we find $ 500 for every IPhone like gadget etc.

            Of course technical items are not made at home…. , carpets to cars have distribution and other factors to add to cost, but…we pay it, if we want it, at that point.
            Someone else pointed out how difficult it is to get the true cost affects of NAFTA on the American life style. It would make a good MBA paper.

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          10. bobnstuff April 19, 2015

            We are the second largest manufacturing
            nation in the world next to China and China just beat us. We have the
            best workforce as far a productivity. I’m amazed at what we do make
            here and what we don’t. Almost all plastic tubs sold here are made here. Rubbermaid makes almost everything in the US. Garden hoes are almost all US made but we import the nozzles. Most carpeting is made in the US as well as about half the tile we sell. Most of the walk behind lawn mowers are US made except for Toro and Lawn Boy and almost all riding mowers are made here. There are 14 companies making
            socks in the US. As you can see I like to know where the products I US are made. 25% of the cost of a Domino’s pizza is food cost. I figured it out and to make a 16” pepperoni pizza at home costs me $2.35 and the time it takes total is around 30 minutes or less. The only problem is I have to remember to make the dough in the morning if I want pizza tonight. I spent 15 years in the pizza business. Corporate Domino’s takes a chunk out to the local profits and they make sure you make a mediocre product. When Bain Capital to over
            Domino’s they just about destroyed the company. One thing they did was go to the cheapest cheese you could get. Thank you Mr Romney.

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          11. Leftout April 19, 2015

            I worked for corporate types who loved to merge and purge employees to save Money on paper. I call this NonVisionary MBA dumb. They introduce a new idea to save labor costs on merging , then the great things that the victim – company made a success( goodwill, client service ,erc.)!falls by the wayside , losing customers and quality overall…they wonder why? I Disagreed with all of these tactics, and was told to shut up. It may be ok to do this in none people systems like. Heartless , highly automatale banks. But even they lose customers due to having automated nonhuman client service people. I tell them to get humans or I will scream at them and I do go and talk to management in utter exasperation, some times it works. They now have Russian speaking client service staff in a Latino neighborhood….. Everyone should experience this, God is great and just.

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          12. idamag April 19, 2015

            Technology does eliminate jobs and makes others. This is when you upgrade your knowledge to keep up with the times. When the railroads came in, the wagon train masters felt they were a threat to their livelihood.

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          13. Leftout April 19, 2015

            Of course, and most workers, on every level, think that they can coast for 20 years in the same environment , we all have to prepare for multitasking, while we are tasking at current positions.

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          14. idamag April 23, 2015

            The good thing about entry level jobs is that it teaches a person to work, it gets them used to the politics of any job, and it gives them a work history to put on their resume.

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          15. idamag April 19, 2015

            People signs – I like that.

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          16. Leftout April 19, 2015

            Finally !,, we are one.

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          17. idamag April 19, 2015

            Both, you guys should realize that it was your labors, and all that labor, that built this country. During the Medieval times, it was the builders, of the cathedrals that got the glory. Now, the rich try to get richer by stealing from their employees and beating their chests at what the employee built.

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          18. Leftout April 19, 2015

            But as a laborer, No manner how onerous the job that I needed I felt that I had to do it to get me going in the eventual way that I wanted to go. It was difficult, surely but I was getting my pay and surely they thought that they were using me. I did not think that way. I met interesting people and situations and had fun because I knew I would be going elsewhere. I even wanted to take a great Cushy job at the UnIv Penn…a beautiful campus, but could not afford to work, there , I even said to myself, I liked this job -Penn- so much for the atmosphere that I would get a trade job , paying more to support this Job at Penn. I am a romantisist.
            Went on to more realistic situations later.

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          19. idamag April 19, 2015

            I enjoyed working, too, before the working people were devalued in order to exploit them.

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          20. Leftout April 20, 2015

            Exploitation is a strong word for “pay for work,” if not satisfied with the pay arrangement move on get another PT job or get a better opportunity through education. I ve done it.
            Once I was Laid off from a drug co. And I kept looking for several months , someone asked why not go on unemployment? I thought that was a low solution. I called the agency and the person answered as” welfare and state assistance program” I had tears come to my eyes, I hung up the phone and called every Type of business that I was able to perform. I got a night job 80 miles From my home. I took it so that in the day time I would be able to find a day position more in line with my needs. I was not able to take money from government . I am be a bit hard about this for myself.
            Just me I figger. !!

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      2. kenndeb April 18, 2015

        You sound like a liberal that expects everything handed to them, while others work to pay for those programs that you get fat off of.

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        1. charley williams April 18, 2015

          I have been in the workforce since 1972 ! I have seen the changes, all the majority of benefits in the tax system and Laws have been focused on those at the top ! The workingman has been slowly depressed in our economy !

          You sound like someone that has never truly done a hard days work, well I have !

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          1. Leftout April 18, 2015

            Ha. Worked from cleaning pans at a bakery, tossing newspapers since sixteen, digging sewer trenches , and many have done so and gone on …give me a break , would like to discuss over a friendly beer.
            You are funny.

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          2. idamag April 19, 2015

            Shhh, don’t rile kendeb, he.she might get angry.

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      3. Leftout April 18, 2015

        Hate politicians and party names, corruption PAC monies – codified into law by Supreme Court in allowing huge unidentified monies to be used as outright bribery , quid pro quo, this must be undone… but what congress man would Introduce to repeal this PAC money corruption.

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        1. charley williams April 18, 2015

          I agree with you there !

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        2. john Baldwin April 18, 2015

          You Sir seem to be implying that the love of money is the root of all evil ?

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          1. Leftout April 19, 2015

            I love money, women and wine , the more the better. I do not like the statement ” money can not make you happy” ask my women and wine maker. Many NAFRA jobs were probably created in foreign lands but not here. I really thought NAFTA JOBS AND PRODUCTS WOULD STAY IN THE COINTRY IT WAS MADE and bought by locals. This has to stop .

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          2. idamag April 19, 2015

            Maybe, not all, but a big share of it.

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    2. Sand_Cat April 18, 2015

      We’re not just running out of fish; we’re running out of seeds and everything else needed to sustain life because some people keep “pecking away for themselves” and crowding out others to do it long after they have accumulated far more “broccoli and seeds” than they and their descendants could possibly need for multiple lifetimes.

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      1. Leftout April 19, 2015

        Squirrels pack away and others gather for future use. All lower kingdom creatures who have learned over many more replications ,that inherently it is Better to be self – reliant( bad word) to you , I know, Than to expect a handout. Their Hand out is from nature for these creatures but they WORK everyday for what they consume., unlike government PAC scoundrels. We have to teach countries to use land and resources for their own use. Land can be made arable , water can be made good by desalinization/ Saudi Arabia Why does grass seed mange to grow through crackers in my black top driveway. I also do a bit of farming , so if you need any seeds let me know

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        1. 1standlastword April 19, 2015

          I sense you’re too old to think about your thinking….

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          1. Leftout April 19, 2015

            Did you fall into narcolepsy before finishing your thought. My thoughts come from my varied experiences and observations .

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      2. idamag April 19, 2015

        Great analogy.

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    3. Allan Richardson April 19, 2015

      Teach a man to fish and he can feed himself. Except the conservative policies dam up or pollute the stream so he can’t fish. Then they say he’s lazy because he isn’t catching any.

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      1. Leftout April 19, 2015

        Most waters are clear except for NY Bay. Most creatures do not poo where they eat , lower NY is an exception. The Fish story , of course, is a metaphors to get educated in some profession , trade, sport or other interest ( except journalism ) so one can fend for themselves and family.

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  12. Peter April 18, 2015

    Is the writer saying that the Democrats really give a damn about inequality? Other than using it to get more votes? What politician leaves office, no matter which side of the aisle they may be on, who hasn’t enriched himself or herself at the public trough?

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    1. CrankyToo April 18, 2015

      Politicians aren’t enriched at the public trough; there is no conduit from the treasury to their pockets. They’re enriched by private influences while performing public service. And which party do you think has been most enriched by private influences? (Hint: If you say “Democrat”, you’re either a Republican, an idiot, or both.)

      What the writer appears to be saying is that the inequality gap is a problem, is ever-widening, and is exacerbated by Republican policies. He also appears to be saying that, while they are now beginning to make noises vis-à-vis acknowledging the problem, Republicans are not actually taking any concrete measures to fix it. Indeed, they are actually endeavoring to make it worse. In other words, Republicans are full of sh!t.

      As to whether or not “Democrats really give a damn about inequality”, one only has to look at the contrast between Republican and Democratic legislative achievements over the last 70 years to make a determination in that regard.

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      1. Peter April 18, 2015

        And just who, pray tell, votes for pay increases in Congress? And were you aware, sir, that though neither you nor I can be legally involved in insider trading, any member of congress can be? The rules for “them” and “us” are vitally different. Whether you consider the funds come from the treasury or elsewhere, the system is rigged. (Ron Paul was, to my best knowledge, the ONLY member of Congress who refused pay raises. He had to receive them, but then wrote a check to the Treasury for the amount. You’re obviously a Democrat with all the assurances that your side is “right” while the other side is “wrong”. And so goes politics in the two party system. Actually one party with two different names.

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        1. CrankyToo April 18, 2015

          Oh, I see. Politicians are getting rich by voting themselves pay raises. I was right, you are an idiot.

          PS – In actuality, my party affiliation is “Republican” – I’m just not stupid enough to vote for one any more.

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          1. Peter April 18, 2015

            It’s what I love about these discussions, all the ad hominem attacks and name calling. Speaks to a poor education. And you *still* keep the Republican label? Strange.

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          2. CrankyToo April 18, 2015

            Hey Squire, I’m sorry if your feelings got hurt, but I calls ’em like I sees ’em. If it quacks like an idiot, it must be an idiot (and you quack like an idiot).

            Your phrase “Speaks to a poor education.” should not have a period at the end because it’s not a sentence (it lacks a subject). Apparently my “poor education” was better than yours…

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          3. Peter April 18, 2015

            Well, CT, you sure do ad hominem well.

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          4. CrankyToo April 18, 2015

            Quit your whining…

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          5. TZToronto April 19, 2015

            The subject is implied–It

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          6. CrankyToo April 19, 2015

            What’s your point?

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          7. idamag April 19, 2015

            Well I will agree that our legislators are way overpaid for the little positive that they do. They make about $800,000 a year for parttime work.

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        2. Sand_Cat April 18, 2015

          Despite your claims – which no doubt have some truth – there is still a difference between the parties. That difference diminishes every election, at least in part because many people ignore – or are unaware of – the differences. Why should the Dems be different if they get lumped with the other guys and usually lose to boot if they stray too far from what is facetiously called “the Center”? You are correct that for all practical purposes both Obama and Hillary are moderate Republicans on almost all issues, and take a terrible battering when they stray, and even when they don’t.
          By the way I’m so happy Ron Paul was sending back the pay increases while letting others write ugly racist crap and otherwise promote policies reminiscent of the John Birch Society in his name.

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        3. Allan Richardson April 19, 2015

          Actually, no one in Congress has to vote FOR a pay raise any more. Sometime in the past twenty years (I don’t remember exactly when, but anyone can look it up), they voted to make their pay increases automatic EXCEPT when they vote to “skip” them for a year. Occasionally, when the media and voters are being exceptionally vigilant, they do. The rest of the time, they let them go into effect and say “Who me? I didn’t vote to raise my pay!”

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      2. Sand_Cat April 18, 2015

        Why can’t he be BOTH a Republican AND an idiot?

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        1. Allan Richardson April 19, 2015

          Is there a difference? And I mean idiot as in “idiot for hire” who is paid not to USE his/her intelligence, not someone who actually does not have any.

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    2. john Baldwin April 18, 2015

      I think Obama was an exception, he has made an effort to keep his campaign promises and he does not make excuses for his faults even though Republicans have pointed each and everyone of his faults out . He just keeps plugging away, doing the best job he can do with so many trying to get his head.

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      1. paulyz April 19, 2015

        You mean Obama’s campaign promises of transparency & removing ALL pork from bills? Or letting Americans have 3 days to know what is in all bills before they are rammed through? Or his promise of all receiving $2,500, keeping our Doctor & Health provider? (He doesn’t make excuses? He has blamed all his failed policies on someone or something.) But it worked, he got your vote along with many other gullible useful idiots. No wonder this country is such a mess.

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        1. TZToronto April 19, 2015

          Keeping your doctor and health provider? It would seem reasonable that if you’re paying premiums for health insurance that basically covers nothing, you’d want something that would cost the same or maybe a bit more that would actually cover you if you get sick or injured. In effect, forcing the cancellation of policies that don’t meet minimum standards is like dragging people, kicking and screaming, to something that’s a benefit to them. Perhaps the purveyors of those phoney health insurance policies should have been charged with fraud since their policies were worthless. So you’re saying that worthless policies were a good thing? I hope you had one.

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          1. idamag April 19, 2015

            I still have my doctor and the same insurance.

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          2. paulyz April 26, 2015

            To you & johninpcfl, nice to see you got yours, while Millions lost theirs or seen premiums rise greatly. Enjoy it while it lasts, which won’t be long, unless you are both government dependent takers. Very compassionate.

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        2. johninPCFL April 20, 2015

          I still have the same doctor, and my insurance costs decreased for a year. Nice try, though.

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  13. HowardBrazee April 18, 2015

    Politicians worry about what gets them elected or not. Inequality can be such an issue – the worry is whether the votes go to them or to the other guy. Making something an issue is not the same thing as making a real change.

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    1. idamag April 19, 2015

      That is so true. When Eleanor Roosevelt pressed her husband to do something about civil rights, he told her he wanted to, but he would lose the southern vote. We have politicians who will sell their souls for campaign donations and votes.

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  14. plc97477 April 18, 2015

    Unfortunately for the country, incomprehensible, pseudo-wonkish jargon works for the uniformed voters on the right.

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    1. john Baldwin April 18, 2015

      You’ve noticed that too, do you think , maybe that’s why they watch Fox News ?

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  15. charleo1 April 18, 2015

    Honestly, I’m not all sure anyone representing the GOP. is actually what we think of as
    ” a politician,” at all at this point. You know? People that have strong beliefs, and convictions, and a desire to help the people, or the Country, by going into public service. Or, hope to leave the World a better place than they found it? No, it sure seems to me of late, the people the GOP puts up for office, to into office, don’t have any particular opinions, or policies of their own anymore. Kind of blank slates waiting to be filled in. In fact, the Party itself seems to be run by all outside stuff. It’s why we hear so many lament, “I was a Republican for 30 years, but no more.” The outside influence, in my opinion, are why it’s policies are so disjointed, and very often, contradictory. And the people running under the Republican Brand, are so obviously just mouthpieces speaking for others behind the scene. Those others, the vast majority never see. Who never sit down for interviews, so cannot be publicly questioned. Or with a few exceptions, even reveal their names. Just Corporate Packs. American Crossroads, Americans for Prosperity, Citizens for Tax Reform, all million dollar front groups for various clubs, cabals, and corporations. Who know what their agendas are? And the few multi-million dollar ideologues, who will step out. because they have some personal ax to grind. A Sheldon Adelson, for example. The Jewish hardliner, who backs the Likud Party, and Netanyahu, and his determination to enlist the U.S. military to go to war with Iran. Or the anti Fed. anti-regs. Koch Chemical magnets. Still pushing their Daddy’s Birch Society Dreams. Or a bevy of other billionaires with their own visions, of what kind of Country they would like to rule over. And so, they hire people to find people that seem to have some sales ability in politics,or some successful track record. Like Mayor of Wasilla AK. Then, take a smidgen of their fortunes, write ’em a stump speech, and see if they can get that person elected as Vice-President! Another blank slate. What did Sarah care about? They wrote it on her hand! Sorry, a bad joke. But what do they talk about in those $50,000 plate dinners? Ever wonder? I’ll bet it’s not wealth inequality. The rising cost of health insurance, or how a struggling Middle Class pays for college. I’ll bet it’s not what they’re telling you they talk about, and not what they’ll do if they become President.

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    1. pmbalele April 18, 2015

      YYou’re right. I have never seen such an ugly GOP WH line-up. At least Jeb Bush ispresentable. But GOPers hate Bush because he is married to a Mexican. TPs and Repubs hate Latinos and Blacks. I would never vote for Chris- too fat- the guy will need military chopper to transport him to the airport. I would never vote for Jindal smart but-too ugly; I would never Herman Cain-he is a white-women underwear groper; I would never vote for Dr. Carson-the guy is smart but, like John McCain, does not brush his teeth; I would never vote for
      Rand Paul-the guy is too short-Americans like tall presidents; I would never
      vote for Santorum-the guy wants to be an American little pope; I would never
      vote for Romney; the guy is a Mormon wants polygamy in the WH. I am told he will have 100 grandchildren in the WH costing taxpayers $2mi a day; I would not vote for Sarah Palin-too violent and full of wrinkles; I would never vote for Scott Walker-a school drop-out; squints his eyes; and wants Sharia law in this
      Country. Walker also hates Blacks. I was at two state agencies and I did not
      see a Black person working there-all were White people. Last year Walker wanted Wisconsin out of the Union. I just wondered how he could be the president of the Union when Wisconsin would be a foreign country. I would never vote for Ted Cruz-he is Cuban-Canadian and therefore not eligible for the WH job; I would never vote for Giuliani, the guy is so ugly and does not know how to talk. How about Newt-the guy will be chasing office broads and may dump his present wife. As an alternative in 2016, let us all vote for Hillary or Biden as candidates. In fact FoxNews is already campaigning for Hillary.

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      1. paulyz April 19, 2015

        Congratulations on showing an incredible amount of prejudice in a few paragraphs.

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        1. pmbalele April 19, 2015

          Prejudice! There is no law against discriminating fat, ugly or people who squint. GOP has unpresentable candidates for the WH job. That is not prejudicial.

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      2. Leftout April 19, 2015

        Jen bush is disliked because he is for so called amnesty, a concept that 90%!of the U.S. Is against. His wife of Mexican origin is not the reason, Good grief, you guys are whacky with the racism crap. Same goes for Obama, his policies are not popular with self reliant types, it is not his half breed color scheme that makes him disliked.

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    2. 1standlastword April 18, 2015

      You’ve just defined ‘modern pernicious republicanism’

      The GOP is a plutocratic party of fat-cats in it for themselves.

      They sit on their cash stuffed backsides and watch life for all Americans get fundamentally harder and worse while they scheme to comfort the comfortable.

      They fight tooth and nail against anything and everything of value to the true AMERICAN MAJORITY: health care, better wages, a clean environment, basic human rights and freedom of choice.

      They exploit our faith, and our patriotism to win approval and acceptance every time they wrap themselves in the flag or offer false praises to Jesus.
      If judgment day was today they would in mass hit the bottom of Hell so hard it would break through.

      And finally…NO decent nor indecent American working stiff should defend or support this modern ‘pernicious republicanism’ because… ‘people’ …there is NOTHING in the GOP for us but misery. The Great Recession and those wars are the ‘pernicious republicanism’ most prolific DISASTERS that set the world on fire…fire that still consumes innocent souls daily.

      The pernicious republicanism is a curse on humankind from HELL!

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      1. charleo1 April 18, 2015

        Well said, friend. Your post script reminded me of something Lincoln pondered about how much more in blood The Almighty would require of the Country, as punishment for it’s practice of slavery. Then finally concluded, however terrible it might be, we would have to pay it.

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        1. 1standlastword April 19, 2015

          Quite apropos you would mention Lincoln’s reference to slavery and the terrible cost for it America would have to pay.

          It is clear that Obama’ presidency has ushered the fearful racists and haters out of hiding and into public service.

          Remember Jon Huntsman?

          Now there’s a guy who could potentially restore a sense of humanity to the Republican continuum, but since the reaction to Obama caused the party to swing farthest right of right there is no possibility a left center of right candidate would have a chance of winning the conservative nomination.

          The impulse that existed in early American Europeans that justified slavery was revived with the Barack Hussein Obama presidency and the wage of sin for American slavery is America’ affliction with the manifestation of our current modern ‘pernicious republicanism’

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          1. charleo1 April 19, 2015

            You make several references to the gist of a very important, and I consider a very fascinating matter. So, I must really salute your perceptiveness. As it has helped me further refine mine, in an area, where I believe a good deal of truth about the mental state of the Country may be found. Yes! Absolutely! As you say, the Collective unconscious impulse, of the racists. I would add too, the same for the lower caste Southern Whites. Many the same people, as had been noted during the Civil War. The poor White Southerner fought for the institution of slavery, not so much as he held dear the concept of State’s Rights. But to secure his sense of superiority, in retaining a class of people in the social structure to which he might look down upon. A security in the same sense, he had been able thru some self delusion, to hang onto until the election of Barack Obama obliterated it. Giving further credence to their unavoidable fear that the South had indeed lost the war. No, small concession for a true Confederate. And moreover, the intolerable, unbearable notion, that the blessed Southland, would not, nor could not, ever rise again. If the day would ever come a, “Negro,” could be legally the President. Ah, well that’s it, isn’t it There must be something afoul, otherwise it would never happen! They’ve practically worn that dog whistle out! If such a thing is possible, with those who so love it’s sound. And impulsively they come running with every toot. He’s not from here, wasn’t raised American, doesn’t share our values, even our Christian religion! Our voting process has been corrupted, they charge. With absolutely no evidence other than, it has to have been. How else to explain this travesty, they reckon? And invested as are they in they’re racial animus toward this “Black Usurper.” Trespassing on the White man’s territory as it were. Living in the Master’s House, as he is. And so we see a repeat. The poor White Southerner being duped into rising up against his own Country. Fighting the wealthy elite’s war for them. Ironically, set into motion over the election of a President hailing from the hated North.

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          2. idamag April 19, 2015

            The M.O. of the southern mine owners and U.S, Steel was not only to break the unions, but have several people arrested on phony charges and then sentenced to labor in the steel mill and the mines, Am common practice was to go into the Black neighborhoods and stop a Black man on the street. If he didn’t have fifteen dollars in his pocket, he would be arrested for vagrancy and sent to be slave labor for these entities.

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          3. idamag April 19, 2015

            I have a lot of respect for Jon Huntsman and think he would make a good president.

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          4. Jmz Nesky April 20, 2015

            I’m glad two of you do as I also believed this in 2012 then I witnessed how quickly the neo-cons ousted him (and Ron Paul) from their presence as if they were the plague.. Now Paul may not have had a chance but Huntsman, even many liberals rallied around his platform but alas he was not prone to puppetization so to the right-wing he was useless.. Times have changed but not the extremists opinions. A puppet without strings is not a puppet. In 2016 the ONLY possible winning republican contender will not be running thanks to his own party and if I were him and they invited me, I’d decline with a smile on my face. Here then is the true GOP presidential line-up.. Take your pick.

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          5. Leftout April 20, 2015

            He was the best candidate , bar none, but was not ever recognized , how easily his message was passed over. No controversy in his policies for the media to grab unto.

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          6. Eleanore Whitaker April 20, 2015

            I think the problem with any Huntsman is they are Texas Oil men. I’m always wary (thanks to GWB and GHWB) of TX men because they have an odd quirk…they say one thing and do another.,

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      2. john Baldwin April 18, 2015

        I got a good laugh from the way you described Republicans, but it does fit .

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  16. paulyz April 18, 2015

    Since this article is critical of the flat tax, what do they recommend? Just tax the wealthy even more for votes? Hillary is very much one of the 1%ers & maybe needs to redistribute her wealth.

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    1. bernieo April 19, 2015

      I have no doubt she would have no problem with that. The Clinton’s were not wealthy until leaving office and since then they have used their time and money to help people around the world. So did Jimmy Carter. Compare that to Poppy Bush who used his post presidential time making speeches on behalf of cult leader Sun Myong Moon. Bush Ii spends his personal capital painting himself in the bathroom. Brother Jeb, or leaving the governorship said his goal was to make a lot of money. Ex presidents (and their wives) will always get rich if they aren’t already but they also have the ability to do a lot of good. too bad more Republicans – the guys who tour private charity – don’t follow the example of the Clintons and Carters.

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      1. paulyz April 19, 2015

        The comment was about if they are critical of the flat tax, what tax plan are they going to use besides taxing the wealthy more? While your mention of charitable Presidents like Carter true, Republicans like Teddy Roosevelt & Hoover donated all of their salary, as did JFK & George Washington. Also, V.P. Biden & Cheeney, as well as Al Gore are cheapskates.

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        1. Joan April 19, 2015

          The answer is to increase the tax burden on the people who can afford it and who have gotten the most benefit out of what this country provides, do not repeal the estate tax which only applies to about 1% of all the probated wills in the US, tax those capital gains as income (which they are), close down the off shoring of American jobs and the profits of American companies. A Progressive tax structure has historically been very good for America and Americans.

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          1. johninPCFL April 19, 2015

            The typical GOP lie about the inheritance tax is that it will penalize the family farmers. Of the 5000 people who benefited from the inheritance tax in 2012, 24 were farmers.

            Indeed, the GOP ideas were born of the 1800s, and most remain there.

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          2. itsfun April 20, 2015

            After all, the people didn’t earn the money or create a product, the government did all that. We should many the terrible wealthy people pay and pay until it hurts, then we should take over their business because the government made their business for them. Who do these people think they are. Working hard and earning what you and your family have is against every liberal principle. These terrible wealthy people should have their family earnings taken away so we can give their money to non-workers and non-earners.

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          3. Eleanore Whitaker April 20, 2015

            Yes….since wealthy people GET their wealth from the help of taxpayers, consumers and employees…why are they privileged to never have to hurt like the rest of us and pay their fair share?

            If you are trying to impress the world how hard any CEO works, let me provide you with facts: Kozlowski and his $7,000 toilet seat? Ebbers? In jail for fraud and tax evasion. Want more? Madoff …$67 billion stolen from his clients…So..tell me..how hard did HE work for that?

            Enough with your Poor Rich routine. You can have all of your wealth if you do not hire a single employee, use a single dime of taxpayer dollars to keep you in business and you don’t need a single consumer. Then and only then are you “independently wealthy.”

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          4. itsfun April 20, 2015

            Are you saying no one earns what they have? Are you saying no CEO’s work or earn what they have. How many poor people hire employees? Employees are paid for their labors and contributions to a company. They get promoted to higher paying jobs, earn more and give their families a good quality of life. Some of these people even get wealthy, then you can call them names also. No one is talking about the poor rich people. I am talking about contributors to our society and people that actually earn their homes, cars, educations, etc. Why would you care how much someone spends on a toilet seat? Maybe they have a sensitive butt. People should be in jail for fraud and tax evasion, and stealing. Robbing a bank or stealing art can also make one rich, but when caught they go to jail also. Whether you believe it not, many people actually work and earn their way in this world.

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          5. Eleanore Whitaker April 20, 2015

            I worked for 3 CEOs of 2 Fortune 50 companies as their executive assistant. One never got to the office till 10 AM every morning and was out on the links by 3 PM the same day.

            When I worked, I earned my paycheck by sitting at a desk for 8 hours and doing MY job. I didn’t have employees who did it for me. CEOs do. They are great at pointing and delegating to the little Johnny Jumps Ups who hang on their every word hoping, praying, begging Mr. CEO will notice them and give them a salary bump up.

            There are very few millionaires of billionaires in the US who sat at a desk and earned that wealth without someone else’s help. Not even Wall Street cockroaches can make that claim. While they are sitting there slitting each other’s throats, they are also raking in big bucks from money that doesn’t belong to them…it belongs to you and your 401Ks and mutuals. But, they will fee you to death if you aren’t paying attention. Nice work for an 8-hour day no?

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          6. itsfun April 21, 2015

            There are also very few millionaires or billionaires in the US who were just handed their money. Why do you hate successful people?

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          7. Eleanore Whitaker April 21, 2015

            I hate to debunk your prognosis of “success,” but…success to you HAVES means one thing: MONEY. Was Einstein a billionaire? Was Teddy Roosevelt?

            Right there, I prove that men like you have your heads so far up your moneyed butts, you automatically ALL assume MONEY MONEY MONEY means success. Try actually accomplishing something that benefits mankind and I’ll be the first to call you “successful.” Your bank account isn’t success

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          8. itsfun April 21, 2015

            I don’t recall saying money was the sign of success. You have proven nothing except you are just a name calling little girl. Did some mean terrible man break your Barbie?

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          9. Eleanore Whitaker April 21, 2015

            Your post: “There are also very few millionaires or billionaires in the US who were just handed their money. Why do you hate successful people?”

            Who are you trying to fool? I prove you are a greedy little person who believes there will never be ENOUGH money for you to live high on the hog off other peoples’ hard earned tax dollars. You can desperately try to rewrite the intent of your post but no matter how hard you try, The first sentence is a direct correlation to the thoughts YOU posted in the second sentence. No mention of anyone else who is successful who isn’t a “millionaire or billionaire.” Got some lameass excuse for that?

            Sorry if you can man up to what YOU posted.

            No man broke anything of mine. You can stow your male attempts at denigrating or degrading me. You are greedy little asshat who equates success with “billionaires and millionaires” and now that you know I can equate that to Madoff, Kenny Boy Lay, Icahn, Kozlowski, Ebbers and Huntsman, you don’t like that you are trapped by your own post. Grow up.

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          10. itsfun April 21, 2015

            What are you talking about? I posted there that aren’t many millionaires or billionaires that were just handed their money. I never posted that is the only way to be successful. Success is measured by each person and what they believe is successful. You just hate anyone that has earned a large sum of money and you believe you have the right to tell them how to spend it. You just hate all men and everyone that has what you want. You are the hateful one here. I really feel sorry for anyone with your hateful attitude.

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          11. Eleanore Whitaker April 22, 2015

            What are YOU YOU YOU talking about? I read both sentences YOU YOU YOU posted. You correlate success to millionaires and billionaires. Success has NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY!!!!You are a bona fide moron. You post something you know has you trapped by your own greedy words and now you try to refocus the spotlight.

            I hate anyone who uses and exploits others to get rich. That you don’t, proves who and what you pigs of the narrow greedy minds, beak noses and beady eyes are up to.

            Get this and get it straight boy…I am not going to work my butt off to make YOU YOU YOU rich. Got that?

            The Koch boys are spending billions to elect the men they want in government. Why? Because they earned their billions without a single shred of help from ME as a taxpayer? Or their employees?

            You need to get a life moron. No American will EVER allow you rich boys to use your money to dominate the rest of us. NO matter how much you play your childish little boy games.

            If you have to use money to prove your success, you are a mortal, morbidly greedy failure.

            There are many successful Americans…the Koch boys, Donald Trump, ISSA, Cantor, Adelson, Zuckerberg, Icahn, Benmosche and the rest of the thieving, exploitative pigs have one and ONLY one thing they rabidly successful at accomplishing: Mass Greed they hope will earn them automonmous power..in other words, a power drunk …just like you.

            Money has NO relationship to success. You HAVES are not going to take over this country using your wads of wealth to do it. That’s been done before and it failed…Where’s Carnegie, Vanderbilt, Astor or Biltmore wealth today…Do yourself a favor and drop dead now so you can try to “take it all with you.”

            You and your fat wads of money you gained from ill gotten exploitation get you zip with me.

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          12. itsfun April 22, 2015

            Can’t think of anything I would want from you. Money is just a symbol of success to many. Its nice to know you get to decide what defines success. To some people it is making money, to others it may be raising a family, or whatever one wants to decide what makes them successful. Its not your choice. In one post you say bailing out a business causes raising taxes and tax revolts. In the next post you say bailing out business creates jobs. I guess you opinion depends on who you want to hate at the particular moment.
            My fat wads of money come from a rather small pension and a Social Security check every month. I just don’t hate everyone that has ever worked and earned more than me. You do need professional help with all of your hate and anger. It must be a sad and lonely life you have.

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          13. idamag April 21, 2015

            Might be a farmer that gets part of the 144 trillion dollars in farm subsidies and complains about food stamps,

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          14. Jmz Nesky April 21, 2015

            How many wealthy CEOs hire workers who they don’t believe will make them ten times the profit that they have to pay them? The CEOs don’t hire people because they have a heart of gold, they hire people that will continue to make THEM rich. Bottom line. Ask the worker who toiled for twenty years in the same position, getting raises in accordance to federal minimum wage laws.. ask them how many promotions they got and how much more money they made by continually producing the CEOs products that made him millions off their sweat and I guarantee you had they stumped their toe even once and failed to produce to the CEOs expectation, they would immediately receive a pink slip. You paint the CEO as the victim in all ths, well had he paid his fair share in taxes (that is the exact amount that the IRS had set up) then maybe we could feel more empathy for him but as a victim, far from it.

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          15. itsfun April 21, 2015

            No one is saying the CEO of a company is a victim. They are well paid for doing a good job and making a profit for the share holders. Isn’t it part of the job of an CEO to hire good people? If the CEO does a poor job of getting the right people to help the company make a profit, the CEO will be job hunting. How many CEO’s are spending their time overlooking employees? They have managers that do that. A person doesn’t become a CEO just because they want that job. They work hard to earn that job and earn the respect of employees and stock holders. You infer that CEO’s don’t pay their taxes. Is this the new strategy of those who hate successful people. You pull a Harry Reid and lie about a person paying their taxes to destroy that person.

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          16. Jmz Nesky April 21, 2015

            Don’t put words in my mouth asswipe.. I said what I said because I’ve worked for enough of those cheating assholes to be able to say what I said and there’s nothing that you can convince me of that disputes this. If your a ceo or know a ceo who works in a fair manner then your one of the lucky ones but don’t go saying their all good guys when we as workers know better. And no they don’t pay their fair share in taxes, they suck off taxpaying fools like you who keep defending their narrow asses. And as far as shareholders go, it’s a gamble and like Vegas a win or lose proposition and because of this there’s nothing righteous for a company to sacrifice product, pay workers minimum wage, treat customers indifferently JUST to make the shareholders happy.. I’m through discussing with you, find some other whine poster to nag on.

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          17. itsfun April 21, 2015

            You must be right, all CEO’s are terrible people and should be be-headed to make you happy. After all you have worked for many. Do you have a hard time keeping a job?

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          18. johninPCFL April 20, 2015

            It’s not about that and you know it. Just keep parroting the “didn’t create that” lie, if it makes you feel better. The rest of us know the president was talking about the roads, bridges, etc. that make modern business possible, things that those businesses didn’t INDIVIDUALLY create. Those things were all COLLECTIVELY built for by entire communities looking toward the future.

            Corporations are government-created entities. They have no existence other than that. Corporations aren’t people, they employ people.

            Working hard and earning your own way is a VERY liberal principle; in fact it is the Founding Fathers’ liberal principles in action. Supporting your community is also a founding principle, and if greed and avarice have grown to such proportion that those who do VERY well (thanks to our government supported and defended economy) just don’t find it palatable to support the community that makes it possible, then taxation is a reasonable alternative. After all, without the community (i.e. all of the people who collectively buy the armaments that keep us free) we would not be free. Have you, personally, paid over $1MM in taxes LAST YEAR that it takes to train and provision ONE SOLDIER? How about any reasonable percentage of the $650B military cost? Me neither.

            Non-workers and non-earners? You mean the paid-in contributions for social security? Or do you mean the paid-in contributions for Medicare?

            Or do you mean the redstate takers? Tax money today flows out of the productive coastal states into the midwestern and southern states. California receives $0.85 in federal spending (i.e. returning tax dollars) for each dollar in federal taxes collected. Kansas? Louisiana? About $1.50, meaning the GOP crybabies collect about 50% more than they contribute. Maybe it’s time to pry the GOP takers off the government teat.

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          19. itsfun April 20, 2015

            Obama never said one word about roads, bridges, etc. He specifically said businesses and he meant small business. He meant we are all to stupid to create our own business without government aid. No one is against helping our communities. We are against be forced to support people that refuse to do anything to support theirselves. No I don’t mean social security or medicaid. All earners have paid for those benefits. I don’t believe in giving illegal aliens social security, medicare free housing, food stamps, etc. So everyone that lives in a state that doesn’t vote for Obama and the like is getting more than they contribute. How about places like Detroit, Chicago, and other large cities that just collect and collect welfare, food stamps, etc. They are all results of liberal city governments. Don’t people create corporations? I don’t recall the government creating GM, Ford, Chevrolet, GE, Motorola, etc. The only thing our government does for corporations is charge them the highest tax rate in the world, then complains when the corporation wants to move to a country that is actually friendly to a corporation.

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          20. johninPCFL April 20, 2015

            Complete bullshit. From the speech:”Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. ” Maybe you just forgot about that part, or maybe the GOP lie about the next sentence gets you stuck. Still referring to the “roads and bridges”: “If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” Yes, you didn’t build all those roads and bridges.

            Yes, typically a small group of PEOPLE create a corporation, which is a legal entity defined by the GOVERNMENT. Yes, they levy a high tax rate and then give the most plentiful deductions in the world, so the net result is that American corporations pay the American government among the lowest net tax rates in the world. “A new analysis of the mega-corporation’s tax filings shows that 1.8 percent of GE’s pre-tax profits have gone to the federal government since 2002.” huffpost 2/27/2012

            I’m sure you’ll recall that GE paid no income tax at all in 2012 in spite of $billions in profits. What’s their tax rate, again? If 1.8% tax is too high, what is the appropriate rate, in your opinion?

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          21. flyinjs April 21, 2015

            You are falsifying everything meant. You are so stiff you lost your common sense.

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          22. Eleanore Whitaker April 20, 2015

            In NJ, (my state) there are maybe 22 total millionaires and billionaires. All of them live on huge estates, take advantage of the gentlemen farmer’s tax subsidies and all they have to do is sell their estate neighbor a bale of hay.

            Then, they get $5,000 tax cuts for every new hire. And they only have to keep them on for a period of 18 months…but the tax cut? Endless. How nice.

            What about tax cuts for the rich do the math deprived of the right and conservatism not understand is a gap the rest of us pay to fill?

            In 2005, the US GAO reported that a single tax cut earned the top 1% another 11% in wealth…Since that 2004 tax cut they’ve gotten 2 more. Do the math.

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          23. Eleanore Whitaker April 20, 2015

            Actually, you’ve identified the “REAL” problem. In the US, unlike any other country in Europe, including Scandinavia, Canada and Mexico, businesses do not get the glut of tax cuts and tax subsidies they get here in the US. Most European countries never provide a tax cut of more than $200K to any single business. But, they have to hire and they have to create jobs.

            In the US, the corporate pigs depend on our tax dollars and it is even in their projected budgets. That’s how reliant they are on tax subsidies. That’s fine for small businesses. But when you hand $15 billion to Big Oil, coal and fracking, that $15 billion is never spent on actual projects. It goes into CEO salaries.

            So, not only don’t these corporate slugs not have to hire or create jobs in the US to take advantage of your tax dollars, they are under no obligation if they locate a corporate headquarters offshore to pay US taxes of any kind…Halliburton and several other major companies did this offshoring incursion.

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          24. idamag April 21, 2015

            Greed is right. They want all the money without having to pay any overhead. They don’t like labor laws to protect the workers from being stiffed. They want the health department eliminated and then law made to protect them from outbreaks of salmonella. They resent the FDA and laws to protect workers from being killed on the job. Instead of a healthy profit, they want it all.

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          25. paulyz April 20, 2015

            Why is the “answer” always more spending by raising more taxes. The wealthy already pay a higher percentage while many on the bottom pay little or nothing. I am not talking about just the 1% of wealthiest Americans, even though they do pay more than half of our taxes already. I say it is unfair to tax people more just because they have been successful. There are studies showing that even if we taxed the wealthiest at 100%, it wouldn’t barely put a dent in our National Debt. The problem is overspending. A Flat or Fair Tax would be much better for our economy, along with a balanced-budget. Most Pork in bills is for favors for votes, this is what needs to be eliminated. Obama promised as much himself.

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          26. johninPCFL April 20, 2015

            Fine, let’s have YOU describe the cuts YOU’D make. The fed budget is about $4T, and now that this president has finally put military costs back into the budget we know that that’s the REAL number (as opposed to GWB who lied about military spending.) Tax receipts are expected to be $500B short.

            Social security is a paid-in retirement. That means that the outgo has already been paid. Medicare is a pay-as-you-go benefit. That means that the outgo has already been paid. Which of these Americans would you steal from to pay your friends in the military-industrial complex?

            That leaves about $2.2T in federal spending. $900B goes to the military, $500B to the states for medicaid, unemployment, and other support programs, and about $800B for all other government operations (Congress, FBI, Border Patrol, DEA, etc.)

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          27. Really_Not April 20, 2015

            So then, You would have no issue with your capital gains being taxed as income? Or is that just for the rich folks?

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      2. paulyz April 24, 2015

        Yes, please tell us all about the generous Clintons. Hillary is so DEEP in corruption even the Liberals are demanding answers. Better find a new candidate to adore because Hillary may just go to the slammer. p.s. Conservatives in general give more to charity than phony Liberals.

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    2. Eleanore Whitaker April 20, 2015

      A flat tax has always been one of Steve Forbes favorite tricks. Here’s the reason a flat tax won’t work. Steve Winn, Steve Forbes, Charles and David Koch, Bloomberg, Zuckerberg, Turner and Adelson will pay the same tax rate as someone earning $20,000 a year. That won’t mean the wealthy pay more. It means they will pay less and not loss much in the way of their wealth.

      They will still jack the prices on their goods and services which hits those on low to middle incomes hardest. So, In addition to paying a lion’s share of their low incomes, they will lose every time a wealth man decides to jack prices. How is that fair?

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      1. paulyz April 24, 2015

        Say we all pay 10% with zero deductions. Someone making $20,000 pays only $2,000, while someone making $2 Million would pay $200,000! You have a problem with that? The only thing “fair” in your mind is the wealthy pay for everything, while the lower income pay nothing. Just jealous of others is all it is. Funny how the National Memo always has articles on how to become wealthy if you believe there is something unfair about that!

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker April 25, 2015

          Yes…I have a HUGE problem with that. So..tell us..is paying taxes equal to a millionaire going to have any impact on that $2,000 when the millionaire needs another salary increase which he an ONLY get by jacking the prices on necessities the guy at $20K will end up losing? Or are you saying that YOU wouldn’t mind paying $20,000 in taxes so long as you get to jack prices on housing, rent, food and utilities?

          Try again. The National Memo and your Steve Forbes myopia is stunning. Your premise is that it’s grand and dandy that someone earning $20K will pay only $2,000 in taxes and then lose $10,000 when Mr. HAVE millionaire is still enjoying another $2 million in profit he gets from consumers, employees he stiffs and taxpayers…Tell you what…you go the flat tax route..with one HUGE caveat..NO more price increases on the poor or middle class. Boy are you math challenged!

          Also, NO more of MY taxes paying corporate subsidies either…NO more tax cuts for millionaires or tax exemptions…Sorry if I I I I have huge problem with this slime all math. Who are you trying to fool? A flat tax and then price gouging, corporate tax exemptions and subsidies all making YOU richer and richer? Come off that BS.

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          1. paulyz April 26, 2015

            You are obsessed with hatred for men & anyone that becomes wealthy in our society. I suppose you would like to put a cap on how much a person can make, or how large a home they may have. Most people that become wealthy in our FREE society worked hard to get there. People like you stifle ambition, as we have seen in Socialist & Communist nations. The handful of CEO’s with outrageous earnings has nothing to do with the vast majority of wealthy people. Maybe you can cap salaries of actors & athletes as well. But we never hear you bitch about super wealthy Liberals like Al Gore, the Clintons, the Kennedys, John Kerry, Bill Gates, or George Soros. A flat tax hits everyone with the same percentage, the fairest way there can be.

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker April 27, 2015

            Wrong…I loathe men who get to be HAVES by cheating, lying, stealing and extorting..not to mention exploiting…So tell us Mr. HAVE Boy…how did you get to be a HAVE?

            People like me know that ambition has nothing to do with money. You can’t even post a single sentence without proving what a money hungry fool you are. You want all the creatures comforts but you don’t want to pay the REAL price for it so you skank a little here, skank a little there and then sit back watching others break their backs while you pig out on what they earn for you in profit. But you think this is fine and dandy..Most jerks do. Get a life. Madoff is in prison…so is Kozlowksi, Ebbers, and Skilling. Try again….men like you prove that you won’t live long…your chasing buckets of money for a lifetime only shortens your life and you won’t take it with you…Carnegie didn’t, Vanderbilt didn’t, Astor when down with the Titanic…try again.

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  17. Meister Omega April 19, 2015

    This is how some people have billions…

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  18. browninghipower April 19, 2015

    Watching the goopers defending the gutting of the estate tax for their cherished 5,400 plutocrats made me laugh and shake my head in awe. They all cited one of the 20 ‘family’ farmers of the 5,400 who actually had to pay the tax. Oh puhleeeze. The verbal contortions these morons attempted were hysterical…lies, histrionics, tears, blather and BS. And so many of their idiot supporters who will never, ever, get close to the 10 million dollar threshold just watching with rapt attention and sputtering their support. It’s rare that we get to watch a once great country and dream dying and being dismantled in real time…but it’s also sad, dangerous, and pathetic.

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    1. flyinjs April 21, 2015

      Why a tax break for so few? I just do not understand this philosophy

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      1. idamag April 21, 2015

        Haven’t you heard the saying, “When money talks, integrity walks?”

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    2. Kevin McLaughlin April 21, 2015

      GOP supporters are the real bleeding hearts, as yet another wealthy person has to,pay taxes, oh the horror! The inhumanity of it all!

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  19. Oliver Ales April 19, 2015

    During the first four years of Obama, the number of Americans “not in the labor force” soared by 8.33 million.

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    1. johninPCFL April 19, 2015

      Yep. When businesses can’t sell their products, they reduce (or at least don’t expand) their workforce. Reagan also found out that tax breaks didn’t work and instituted a stimulus instead. He overspent his budgets by $400B – $600B per year on military toys until the economy picked up.

      He borrowed and spent his way to recovery, and added about $4T to the national debt in the process. He inherited $400B from Carter, accumulated from the first 200 years of existence of the country. GHWB added another $1T, Clinton added another $1T, GWB added about $7T, and Obama has added another $6T.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker April 20, 2015

        Obama didn’t add anything…You can thank Halliburton’s $350 billion in Iraq Profits, tens of billions to Blackwater and KBR and Boeing for their Iraq military supplies.

        Obama didn’t add anything your Bush/Cheney Presidency didn’t initiate. Did we need that war in Iraq? Or was that an under the table deal with former Halliburton CEO Cheney to get himself enough in campaign contributions to be VP? So..he was CEO in 1996 and magically? He becomes VP not 4 years later? Yeah right…More BS than this is not found in a long horn pasture.

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        1. itsfun April 22, 2015

          Are you saying Obama has nothing to do with how much money the US spends or borrows?

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker April 22, 2015

            Listen Obama Blamer…Read your US Constitution….It’s the duty of the HOUSE to disperse funds. Not the president. He is the executive branch. Not the legislative branch. He has nothing to do with where MY tax dollars end up.

            He can veto but if his vetoes are overridden or the whiny asshats of the GOP go running to the SC mafiosi to get their way, your ideas of blaming the President for how much is spent or borrowed is BS…However, like every president, he is responsible for the direction the House, Senate and SC take. That’s his Executive privilege.

            Since your idiot GOP House boys have been acting as if MY tax dollars belong entirely to them, they spend most of it on their pork barrel states. Nearly every one of the CON states gets back at least $1.35 up to and including $1.87 for the lousy $1 they pay in federal taxes. Meanwhile, we suckers in the blue states are lucky to average 65 cents for our $1. So..trough feeding freeloader…do try to get your facts straight.

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          2. itsfun April 22, 2015

            So are you saying George Bush had nothing to do with our tax dollars or the budget. Doesn’t the President present a budget proposal every year to the House. Just how much has Obama vetoed that was overridden? You are one in prior posts that stated it takes 67 votes in the Senate to pass a bill and you also stated that Republicans voted for Obamacare. Maybe you should check your so called facts.

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          3. Eleanore Whitaker April 22, 2015

            Yes…that IS what I am saying. And, in Bush’s case, he had even less to do with the job of the presidency. You guys stand outside in a drought and beg for rain doing your rain dances…then when the downpours comes, you throw everyone else the blame for the mess you created. You got what you asked for. You wanted a Bush but you were too obtuse to realize what you got was a back room Cheney presidency. This will not happen with the Koch boys. A vote for the GOP is a vote for a back room Koch presidency…not going to happen.

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          4. idamag April 23, 2015

            The way to tell a nutjob from an intelligent human being is: An intelligent human being will say that he opposed Obama on an issue and present facts. The intelligent person also finds something he liked. The nutjob likes nothing about the President and therefore is spewing his violent crap with no reliable figures. Since this President has been treated differently than any other president, including the convicted war criminal, and there is only one thing different; I would say we are dealing with white supremists and KKKs here.

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    2. Eleanore Whitaker April 20, 2015

      Funny….but every newspaper in the country from 2004 to 2008 published DOL records that showed 10,000 Shearson Lehman employees lost jobs in a single day back in that time frame and by 2008…the “soar” you want to dump on Obama was at 8 million in 2008..How about it liar boy? Can you bus throwers ever man up?

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      1. idamag April 20, 2015

        I just read a piece, done by a man who happened to be in a public gathering. About six people in the gathering were tea partiers and he described them as unbalanced. One of them told him Obamacare was so that the president could decide who got what kind of medical care. He also said it was so they could implant devices and know what everyone was doing. Oh, and there was the cookie cutter name calling that we see from those crazies when they get on here. Facts? Who needs them? In my work I ran across a couple who refused to have a Social Security number and did not let their children be given one either. According to them, SSNs are a conspiracy to track people. They were farmers. I also got an earful from a person, who said they got it from a good source that hospitals were implanting tracking devices in newborn babies. Of course, being nuts, they can come up with a 8.33 million dollar figure and it you present facts you become part of the “they” that keeps them scared and controlled.

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker April 20, 2015

          I attended a Libertarian meeting back in 2004 when I decided I’d had just about enough of Cheney’s back room presidency. I wanted to check out the “other” parties.

          I was 1 of 3 women in the entire room at that open public meeting. It sounded like some bizarre ritual initiation into a fraternity.

          They bashed away at SS, Medicare and they absolutely loathed the idea of Medicaid. But, their biggest gripe? Having to pay ANY taxes.

          So..I asked a common sense question. “Who will pay for road and bridge repair? Education?” The chief frat boy in charge glared at me and immediately changed the subject. So..no..I don’t believe many of today’s conservatives are anything but people who love to have something, anything to argue about even when they know they cannot hope to prove their so-called facts in a court of law.

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        2. flyinjs April 21, 2015

          It is such a shame that folks have to be that fearful

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  20. idamag April 19, 2015

    When we create and keep a serfdom, we have plenty of cheap labor.

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker April 20, 2015

      They won’t create a serfdom here in the US for one reason. They can’t take it with them. Both Charles and David Koch have already outspent Adelson and the rest of the deep pockets supporting the GOP. But the joke is that comes time for them to recoup those losses, they’ve already price gouged to the max, grifted, grafted and used taxpayers until our patience is worn thin.

      We all know that there is NO Constitutional mandate that forces US taxpayers to keep any business in existence. Anyone who preaches a different gospel needs to think about the fact for that for many centuries, taxes were NEVER used in any foreign country as the chief sustenance to keep businesses in existence. When that rarity did occur, taxes kept going higher and higher until the poor and middle class were so badly oppressed by taxation they revolted.

      But…let’s not pretend that the South Shall Rise Again Confederates are not spoiling for another chance to “even the score.” They can’t of course. The reality is they live off blue state taxes. The GAO proves that over and over.

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      1. itsfun April 20, 2015

        Weren’t taxpayers forced to bail out General Motors? Didn’t taxpayers also bail out Chrysler? How much taxpayer money went to GE?

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker April 20, 2015

          Yes..But not to the tune of TARP or ARRA and…bailing out GM had one other major basis: To keep men and women in jobs. Is that what Jamie Dimon, Lloyd Blankfein and Robert Benmosche did when their Too Big To Fail, To Rich to Care banks begged bailouts?

          The president did what any president with any common sense would have done to spare tens of thousands of US jobs at GM.

          And before you try to bash away with SolyndraGate…that too was another anomaly. CA, AZ and NJ are the top three solar industry states. Only the dumb bunnies in red states still cling to oil, coal and frackola.

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          1. itsfun April 20, 2015

            Your the one that said taxpayers bailing out business to keep them in existence causes “taxes kept going higher and higher until the poor and middle class were so badly oppressed by taxation they revolted.” By the way how much money has been made by solar industry? How many of the “green” business supported by the taxpayers have gone bankrupt?

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          2. flyinjs April 21, 2015

            Open your mind up FUN there would never be innovation if things didn’t stop and start at first. If everything we ever tried worked the first time wouldn’t that have been such a wonderful world to live in?

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          3. itsfun April 22, 2015

            I only pointed out what Eleanore posted about government bailing out businesses.

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          4. idamag April 23, 2015

            I would not even bother to respond to that immature, “yahbut.”

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          5. flyinjs April 21, 2015

            I agree Eleanore, the key word here is JOBs

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          6. idamag April 23, 2015

            What was it that Roosevelt said? “When everybody does good, everybody does good.?”

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        2. JPHALL April 20, 2015

          They were not forced. They got part of the companies which was bought back at a profit from the government.

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          1. itsfun April 20, 2015

            I don’t recall being given an option on where my tax money went. I guess I am still waiting for my part of the companies. You may want to check on how much gm actually paid back.

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        3. flyinjs April 21, 2015

          But, they paid it back!

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        4. Kevin McLaughlin April 21, 2015

          The GM loans were repaid, with interest, at a profit to the US treasury. The US may still hold some GM stock as part of that deal.

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  21. Insinnergy April 20, 2015

    I’m going to call it here and now.
    The GOP are going down hard in 2016 if this is the quality of their rhetoric.
    “No no … we care too.
    And to fix it we are going to do THE SAME THINGS WE DID WHEN WE SAID IT DIDN’T MATTER.”
    Surely even American voters can see that as ridiculous.

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    1. itsfun April 22, 2015

      If the GOP does what they promised to have a overwhelming victory they will win, if they don’t the Democratic Party will win. Depends on who turns out to vote. The next year and a half will decide that.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker April 22, 2015

        Dream on HAVE boy. The GOP better put a price tag on the presidency first. If you think for one second that any GOP bull who can’t utter a single sentence without the words, “money” or “business” in them is going to destroy our lives with more mindless hardship while you pigs live on the luxuries our tax dollars hand you, think again.

        Your gravy train ride is over and you’re about to get dumped. You have proved with every single one of YOUR moron posts who and what you put first: MONEY MONEY MONEY …So golddigger…how about we dig into YOUR money for a change? Hurts your double wide butt to think you might actually have to pay your FAIR share doesn’t it Greed Boy?

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        1. itsfun April 22, 2015

          “you pigs, moron posts, double wide butt greed boy, gold digger”. Like I said before you must be a very lonely and sad person when all you have is name calling and hate. Trying to figure out where my gravy train is. If you were to did into my money you would be very disappointed. If I had even half the money you say you have made with all of your great jobs, I would throw mine away.

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  22. Kevin McLaughlin April 21, 2015

    Frogmarch the whole GOP candidate cabal into the Potomac, and leave them there to feed mosquitos. bloodsuckers, meet bloodsuckers

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