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Reprinted with permission from AlterNet.

 

Donald Trump is wearing out his welcome among the voters who swung 2016’s presidential swing states in his direction, according to just-released regional polls.

The swing-state surveys are more incisive than national polls that found Trump’s approval ratings were below 40 percent: 39 percent by Monmouth University Polling Institute to 36 percent by the Washington Post/ABC News poll.

“Trump continues to be deeply unpopular. His standing is a mirror opposite of Obama and Bush at this point in their first terms. Each held a 59 percent job approval rating in Post-ABC polling,” the Post wrote. “Half of Americans say Trump is doing a worse job than most past presidents, while just under one-quarter say he is doing better.”

The Post-ABC poll found Trump’s support had fallen since April, including in the important category of political independents, where only 32 percent support him now compared to 38 percent this spring. Independents are not the only swing voters who matter. In many Midwestern states last November, tens of thousands of voters who previously backed Barack Obama rejected Hillary Clinton and voted for Trump.

That’s where the latest regional polls come in, showing that growing number of voters in counties that flipped from blue in 2012 to red in 2016 were having the political equivalent of buyer’s remorse.

“There are two ways to view our new NBC/WSJ ‘Trump Counties’ poll,” wrote NBC’s news team on Monday. The first way is to see that his overall approval rate in the 429 counties in 16 states they surveyed “stands at 50 percent, which is higher than his 40 percent overall (national) job rating from our June NBC/WSJ poll, or 36 percent that WaPo/ABC had yesterday.”

But the second way, which is more reflective of how swing states and the Electoral College interact, finds “his approval rating in these counties is down from his winning percentage in these areas in November 2016,” NBC’s news team wrote. “In the ‘Flip Counties’—think places like Luzerne, Pa., which Obama carried 52 percent to 47 percent, but which Trump won, 58 percent to 39 percent—Trump’s job rating stands at just 44 percent. Trump won these ‘Flip Counties’ by a combined 51 percent to 43 percent margin a year ago.”

NBC also polled Trump’s standing counties that were won in 2012 by Mitt Romney and where he “surged” and won by larger margins in 2016.

“In the Trump ‘Surge Counties’—think places like Carbon, Pa., which Trump won, 65 percent to 31 percent (versus Mitt Romney’s 53 percent to 45 percent margin)—56 percent of residents approve of the president’s job performance. But in 2016, Trump won these ‘Surge Counties’ by a combined 65 percent to 29 percent.”

These are big drops among two classes of swing voters in swing counties in swing states. NBC soft-pedals its conclusion, saying, “Bottom line: Even in places that he won in 2016, he’s taken a hit when it comes to his approval ratings.”

We’ll be blunter. If these polls are anywhere near correct, it shows Trump is still ahead in reliably red counties—reliably red in that a majority voted for a Republican presidential candidate in 2012. However, a majority of voters in crossover counties, who previously supported Obama, have abandoned Trump. (Only 44 percent approve.)

The counties polled were in 16 states: Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin.

A Closer Look in Iowa:

Another recent poll by the Des Moines Register drills down into these findings. Overall, it finds Trump’s support has fallen to what appears to be the same level of hardcore enthusiasts seen in the other polls—that he has a base of about one-third of voters.

“In Iowa polls dating back to the Eisenhower era, no president has found himself with a majority disapproval rating as quickly as Trump,” the Register said. “Self-identified independents have turned against Trump, with 59 percent now saying they disapprove of the job he’s doing compared with 35 percent who approve. In an Iowa poll five months ago, his disapproval rating among independents was 50 percent, 9 percentage points lower than now.”

Then, the Register found roughly the same thing as the Washington Post/ABC poll did. That between 24 and 34 percent of voters say Trump has “acted in a way that’s fitting and proper for a president,” “approve of Trump’s use of Twitter,” think “Trump is doing a better job than most,” is “a positive role model for young people,” think “America’s leadership in the world has gotten stronger,” “believe it was appropriate for Trump’s son, Donald Jr., to meet last summer with a Russian lawyer who said she had damaging information about Hillary Clinton,” or “trust Trump to negotiate on America’s behalf.”

“Still, Trump remains popular among the electoral base that won him the election: 90 percent of respondents who say they voted for him continue to approve of his performance, as do 63 percent of Iowans from rural areas,” the Register said. “Fifty-seven percent of self-identified born-again Christians back Trump, as do 51 percent of Protestants and a 47-percent plurality of Catholics.”

The paper gave an excerpt from an interview with a typical Trump supporter.

“Joan Klinger, a Republican retiree from rural Corydon who dabbles in real estate, said she appreciates Trump’s recognition of and devotion to the working class—even as she has low expectations about what he can accomplish in Washington.” It continued, “‘It doesn’t seem like it makes any difference which party gets in there. Whatever they say they’ll do when they get in there, they can’t really do it,’ said Klinger, 67. ‘I just want him to annoy the hell out of everybody, and he’s done that.’”

This mix of buyer’s remorse and defiant defense could be seen in other recent interviews with Trump voters. CNN New Day host Alisyn Camerota sat down with six Donald Trump voters from Florida, Ohio, Iowa and Florida. Three said they were still supporters. The first to speak, a woman identified only as Jackie, was the most defensive. “I would never say I was a supporter of Donald Trump. I voted against Hillary, basically,” she said. “I had problems with his talk. His rough talk. His ‘grab ’em by the pussy.’ All this stuff. But I decided that’s just talk, and talk isn’t action. But now I feel his words have a lot of power, and cause a lot of ripple effect with our relations with the rest of the world. And his words, they become actions.”

Then came John Montgomery, who’s grown tired of giving Trump the benefit of the doubt. “I had hoped he would grow into the position. That he would surround himself with people who understood how politics works, but he’s his own worst enemy,” he said. “Sometimes you have to have that 30-second filter. Just because you think it, doesn’t mean you have to say it or tweet it.”

But like Iowa’s Joan Klinger, there was Gene Huber, a middle-aged white man in a red T-shirt with a photo printed on it of Huber hugging Trump. “This was at the February 18 Melbourne rally,” he explained, saying Trump called him up to the podium and he gave Trump a man hug. “President Trump has changed my life. And the promises that he’s made, he’s doing them… Let’s think about,” he said, stumbling and then citing the “Paris [climate change] agreement, repeal and replace Obamacare…”

Like Klinger and what the pollsters found, Huber welcomed Trump’s outspokenness, starting with his daily tweets. “Talking about the tweeting, our president told us he’s a modern-day president. There you go… To me, I love his tweets. I think he can tweet every morning. I actually can’t wait to get up in the morning to see them… He talks to us. He’s talking to ‘We the People.’”

The big picture from these polls, all snapshots in time across sections of the electorate, is that Trump’s base has shrunk back to where it more or less was in the primaries—not a clear majority. Democrats uniformly despise him, from his style, his personality and his lack of control to his lies, his lack of knowledge on issues and his policies. And a growing share of independents and crossover voters are losing their faith in him.

Trump vs. Nixon:

One of the more intriguing findings was in the Monmouth University poll, which found that while only 41 percent of the country favor impeaching Trump now, that figure is almost double what it was at roughly this time in Richard Nixon’s second term, when he resigned rather than face impeachment.

“Currently, 41 percent of the public think that Trump should be impeached and compelled to leave the presidency, while 53 percent disagree,” the poll reported. “The Monmouth University Poll asked the same question used by the Gallup Poll during Nixon’s presidency. In July 1973 as the Watergate scandal started to unfold, just 24 percent of the public supported impeachment and 62 percent were opposed. Support for Nixon’s impeachment was significantly lower six months into his second term as president than it is for the incumbent today. Interestingly, Nixon’s job rating at that point in his tenure—39 percent approve and 49 percent disapprove—was about the same as Trump’s current rating.”

 

Steven Rosenfeld covers national political issues for AlterNet, including America’s democracy and voting rights. He is the author of several books on elections and the co-author of Who Controls Our Schools: How Billionaire-Sponsored Privatization Is Destroying Democracy and the Charter School Industry (AlterNet eBook, 2016).

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54 Comments

  1. Lynda Groom July 18, 2017

    Just what will it take for the majority of Trump voters to see the damage they’ve done to the republic? Toss in what is happening on the world stage should scare the stuffing out of everyone.

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    1. Aaron_of_Portsmouth July 18, 2017

      The only way to wake them up is when hardships hit them square in the chops, and Mitch is on track to deliver. Will they understand at that point? It’s hard to say, given the damage to the rational faculties over decades of FOX propaganda, and trash from other media outlets.

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      1. FireBaron July 19, 2017

        Oh, the hardships are already hitting them. The farmers who voted for him because of his agricultural protectionist policies are complaining that they cannot get seasonal workers to help them. The factory workers who voted for him are getting termination notices right and left as their factories are closing and moving overseas for cheaper labor. The Anti-Immigrant wing are mad at him because he hasn’t closed the borders to ALL immigration. Even Goldman-Sachs is mad at him for stealing so many of their board members for his Cabinet!
        His Infrastructure Improvement program turned out to be a scam to allow private industries to take over our highways, bridges and rail system.
        And whatever happened to his promise that HIS health care program would deliver Better Healthcare to ALL of us for less money? Guess folks forgot he made that campaign promise when they were demanding elimination of the most successful government health care program since Medicare.

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        1. Unkabob July 22, 2017

          I think he was directing that healthcare promise to the con job congressmen.. You know, the ones who are trying to obliterate the black man’s legacy, stick the nation with trumpdontcare yet keeping most of the ACA for themselves.

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker July 22, 2017

            The reality is that it was 90% of Republicans in Republican states doing most of the massive protesting about Trumpcare.

            This should have been obvious to Lyin Ryan and Mitch the Bitch. But instead, they chose to ignore their own constituents which now places them in grave jeopardy of losing in the 2018 election.

            Something more coincidental…Putin is also up for re-election in 2018 and has pulled his usual, “I’m not sure I’ll run again” BS.

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    2. Eleanore Whitaker July 19, 2017

      That’s where it went wrong for Trump. He always, always, always has believed in his super superiority. So, he naturally go after those he believes are his inferiors.

      The joke is that among Manhattan’s Knickerbocker blue noses, it is Trump and his family who were never accepted into the Blue Book of Snob Hill Society.

      My thought is that once the hacking mechanisms are disclosed, all of us will have the means to do a bit of “ethical Hacking” of them and their sites.

      By giving them a taste of their own poison, we get rid of their lying and deception and attempts to silence us so they can be the only voices in our country.

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      1. Unkabob July 22, 2017

        OR… Maybe they’ll just all go back under the rocks they crawled out from under when they smelled one of their own spewing their song.

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker July 22, 2017

          Over the last 4 decades, we in the Metro area have seen the pattern of Trump digging himself a small hole and instead of just trying to fill it, he goes into his usual “excavator” mode and continues to dig himself deeper and deeper.

          He has always been a dirty fighter. Ruthless, brazen and outright dirty dealing and he prides himself on his expertise in dirty fighting.

          That means his opposition has to fight dirtier to take him down.

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          1. Unkabob July 22, 2017

            This is true El, but with his thin skin when someone does he tweets “Unfair!” .. He can’t even handle the liberal reps ignoring him as he’s gotta blame them for trumpdontcare not getting passed. He’s simply not acceptable of ‘No’ men and cheeto fumes when a woman dares to challenge him.

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker July 23, 2017

            Trump can’t take criticism and neither can Putin. These two have much more in common than originally believed. Trump is modeling our government after Putin’s. Why else put billionaire oligarchs in key positions in government for which none of them have the remotest experience if not to mimic Putin’s oligarchical government.

            Prediction: Trump’s next big move if he isn’t thrown in jail first, will be to create a single “government bank” just as Putin has done. What a plum that would be for a nosey body like Trump who must know everyone else’s business so long as not a whisper of his is ever disclosed.

            Not only that, but it would be to Trump’s advantage to make like he’s coordinating a “hugely, bigly improvement over the US banking system, but incorporating all banks into a single major financial institution that reports directly to him. Sound like fantasy? Who is in the White House?

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    3. plc97477 July 19, 2017

      t rumps base is not going to see anything faux doesn’t want them to see, so they will not see any of the damage t rump is doing.

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      1. dave July 19, 2017

        I went to my local small town hardware store today to get a hacksaw blade ! The owner’s son was either watching something on his phone or playing a game ?? I asked the guy if he had seen some of the news in our local paper,THEN HE TOLD ME HE DOESN’T READ ANY PAPERS !!!! WTF ??? does he not give a damn about news in print ??? I should have asked him if he watched any news on tv or listened to radio news either ?? I have a sister in-law who doesn’t like news of any kind in any form , likes trump and thinks he;s great !! My only question to her would be ,by what measure has the great fraudster done ANYTHING good yet ???? she would rather be ignorant of real news and happenings than have to listen to bad things about trump ?? Is ignorance bliss or just refusing to keep up with reality and truth ??????

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    4. rhetoric_phobic July 19, 2017

      He’s a white male who is breathing and many of his supporters can relate to his ignorance. Never has trump come across as intelligent and that’s no act.
      Most do not care what happens outside their neighborhood. They know what they know and have no desire to expand on it.
      Trump plays into their feelings and fears and says what they want to hear. Most will stick with him no matter what and parrot his line ” fake news” when the facts are in their face.. They will tell you how much he has accomplished even though they can’t name one specific.
      To them MAGA was replacing the black man and keeping that woman out.
      He doesn’t have to do anything else in their mind.

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      1. Gerry Francis July 19, 2017

        You’re being a little too critical – his accomplishments include; giving access to weapons by the mentally unstable, allowing coal companies to pollute our water, dropping out of The Paris Accord on Climate change, removing your privacy on the internet and among other things – insulting virtually every other country on the planet. He really has done a lot…….too bad it’s all horrible.

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        1. 788eddie July 19, 2017

          You make some good (and depressing) points, Gerry.

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        2. stcroixcarp July 19, 2017

          His voter fraud program, where the White House will have personal information about all voters on file in special files that VP Pence will guard is working to purge voters from registration rolls all over the country.

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker July 22, 2017

            A PBS news interview this past week had a California voting official reporting that 21 voters in a small California town went to the polls to vote but found they couldn’t because their voter registrations had been deleted.

            Then, when the other member of the news panel questioned why he thought that happened, he said, “We have proof that the registration data banks at the state level was hacked by a “foreign” entity.”

            IT experts now believe that the Russians have the capability of getting into states’ voter registration data files and changing or deleting them. Sound like something the Republican Party wouldn look the other way at?

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker July 23, 2017

            I’ve already warned the NJ State Board of Elections that if my voting history going back 10 years is handed to that moron Korbach, I’ll sue.

            Who I voted for is no one’s goddamn business but mine. What next? A Trump watch dog in the voting booth after I pull that curtain? Like hell!

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        3. dave July 19, 2017

          You forgot ,he also made it okay to degrade women as long as it was polite and supposed to be a compliment !! Remember he said he could grab them by the p–sy,but that was a joke ???

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker July 19, 2017

      I never hated GWB. I despised the operative in the back room making all the presidential decisions, Dickhead Cheney. GWB, after all I’ve read about him, resorted to alcohol because he saw his entire life planned out for him by his parents. Daddy fully expected him to become president. It was never GWB’s career choice.

      As we’ve seen, left to his own devices and realization of his own personal freedom, he shies away from politics and instead gravitates toward his natural inclination to be an artist. And folks, GWB does have a lot of creative and artistic talent from the works of art I’ve seen thus far.

      Cheney? He will burn in hell for his lies and his part in Iraq. Strange thing about that. Cheney and Blackwater’s Eric Prince schmoozed along with KBR and Boeing to make sure their states were flush with military defense funding no matter how many lives it cost. Now, Prince is right back in the good graces of another moron, Trump and ready to send out the same assassins who massacred an Iraqi family of 11 and got away with it.

      Course now, as we all know, Prince renamed his company due to the black sludge of scandal around it and he made sure he located it offshore to avoid paying any US business taxes.

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      1. stcroixcarp July 19, 2017

        I admit to passing on naughty jokes involving GWB and the south end of a horse headed north. I could not imagine any more evil advisers than Cheney, Rumsfelt, Rove, and company. I can now. How I miss Karl (Turd Blossom) Rove’s sweet voice of moderation.

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker July 20, 2017

          I don’t think honorable Americans realize just how close this country is to a dictatorship. We all sit back thinking, “Oh that can’t happen.”

          Yesterday, Trump went on the attack with the candidate HE chose for the job of AG. He used the NYT to make sure the world got those threats he made to Sessions, Mueller and Rosenstein.

          Trump is doing exactly what Hitler, Stalin and Putin all did so well: Take control of government departments of law enforcement. That’s why he fired Comey. Comey wouldn’t get down on his knees and obey Lard Ass like a good little doggy.

          There is a reason the CIA, FBI and DOJ are not part of the Executive Branch of government. Now, the Office of Government Ethics, is also under fire from Trump. Look at how dangerous this is. He wants an FBI director who pays allegiance to him, not this country.

          No one who takes an official position in government pledges allegiance to a president. They pledge allegiance to the US Constitution. Already, Prince Rinse told the press that Trump is looking for a way to repeal First Amendment rights.

          If Americans do not wake up to what this control freak is doing, very soon Russian will be the only language we speak.

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        2. Sand_Cat July 21, 2017

          IT WASN’T HIS ADVISORS. He was an eager war criminal who lied, tortured, and killed for what he thought would be his own glorification. He had nasty advisors because he was – and presumably still is – a dishonest, nasty little chickenhawk, not the other way around, and it sickens me to see so many people here minimizing his part in his own crimes.

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      2. Charles Winter July 19, 2017

        Lots of people were fooled by Bush’s aw shucks act. To his credit, he did a decent Texas accent for a guy from Connecticut. However, he could talk in complete sentences when talking about things that interested him, like oil and money.

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        1. Sand_Cat July 20, 2017

          He probably could have told the truth, but to my knowledge he never did during his two terms and campaigns, at least not about anything important. If anything that was true actually slipped out, it was in service to a lie.
          I can’t believe all the people excusing this evil man who slaughtered thousands of Americans and tens or hundreds of thousands of Iraqis because he wanted to be a “war president” and look good.

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        2. Eleanore Whitaker July 22, 2017

          I never did get how he went from that much pronounced New England accent to a Texas accent.

          Bush, like so many men, had a Daddy he had to live “up” to. I’ve been around enough male associates and friends to know that Daddies of these kinds of guys can be immensely inhibiting to their sons in ways they don’t seem to even realize.

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      3. Sand_Cat July 21, 2017

        I thought you were more perceptive than that. All those dirtbags around him were there because HE WANTED THEM. He wasn’t some innocent cajoled into evil, but an enthusiastic participant, an inside trader, a nasty little hypocrite about Vietnam according to one of his professors, and he is even more guilty than the others, because he could have said “No” at any time, and fired the lot – except Cheney, perhaps.

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      4. Unkabob July 22, 2017

        Well, as a Texan, I can tell you (1) he was a shithead Guv’na and (2) he chose another shithead to take his place.. (perry).

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker July 22, 2017

          Yes. But you guys and gals have women in that state like the Late and Great Ann Richards and today’s Wendy Davis.

          Perry is an aberration of nature just like Trump is a freak of nature. At least, Perry has the Texan toughness beneath his pretty boy facade. In a funny way, Perry is the Texan version of the Trump sons and Kushner…they believe a pretty face will get them anything they want.

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          1. Unkabob July 22, 2017

            Well, he did skirt on criminal charges brought up on him during his last term and as a reward became one of trump’s cesspool maggots as Secretary of Energy [a position he knows nothing about].

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker July 23, 2017

            Space aliens from the a universe watching what’s happening in DC right now, would see a picture of two countries, Russia and the US both headed by wealthy oligarchs. Coincidence?

            No one with any sense of objectivity can miss that Trump is modeling the US government after Putin’s, right down to making elections insignificant and totally controllable. Right down to threatening and intimidating anyone who dares to criticize Czars Trump and Putin.

            Yet, the appointments Trump has made proved from the get go he wasn’t trying to create a major difference in government. He was determined and persistent to turn government into an oligarchy. Why else choose ONLY billionaires for key roles in government?

            Perry is like DeLay and Kenny Boy, men for whom all life exists ONLY on cronyism and sneaky, underhanded game playing. Till they get caught.

            This is where Trump goes down. He might be able to think he has now taken full control of all departments of law and therefore IS the law, but he forgets the one thing we all know: States’ rights and laws are equal to federal laws.

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          3. Unkabob July 23, 2017

            And from what it looks like they will be our only hope. The blue states are leading the way but we need more to impact these monsters running the g’ment. I just read a nice article concerning McTurtle.. seems the legal department buffed him on the 51 majority trumpdontcare and has reinstated the 60 which means TDC will be flung into the waste bin of history.. I just hope this isn’t fake news.. Sorry to get off topic but if true it’s really good news.

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          4. Eleanore Whitaker July 23, 2017

            For years, the Republican states rammed their “states rights” in Dems faces so that they could force Dem states to turn over more of our state revenues to the fed and basically become the sole support of Republican states.

            Now, the Dem states are turning tail and using the Republican states’ right tactics on them. Dem states are refusing to turn over voter histories, implementing the travel ban or destroying the ACA state agencies that are reducing the cost of healthcare in Dem states.

            The big big big lie of the right is that Obamacare as they love to call it caused increases in the cost of healthcare. That is 100% pure BS. The reason their states had such increases was simple: They refused to set up STATE run ACA agencies who monitor the cost of healthcare. So they got what they asked for: Higher healthcare costs.

            Now their response is like some spiteful little kid who says, “Well, if I can’t have a state agency in my state, neither can you.” So they think. Dem states will just go right ahead exceeding any federals regulations as is their right under the US Constitution. That’s one thing Trump, the right and the Republicans cannot do one thing about…the Constitution.

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          5. Unkabob July 23, 2017

            And for that reason the Koch brothers are trying to change our constitution and by pouring millions into the effort, more idiots than I would like to imagine are agreeing that it should be amended. This alone is the worst action the con jobs are attempting to date. Once they get their claws into it the changes will escalate to the point where it will benefit only the few. Even the worst of the current constitution is better than the best that the GOP will replace it with.

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          6. Eleanore Whitaker July 24, 2017

            Ironically, the Koch brothers called Trump “a monster,” some months back. I can only imagine why. Trump is the kind of CEO whose big mouth outs the massive corporate corruption that’s been going on for far too long.

            Take your cues from what happened from the 1890s to the end of Harding’s presidency. Harding had his own personal scandals as you probably already know. Like Trump, he liked the ladies just a tad too much for his wife’s comfort. It is believed she poisoned him while they were traveling by train. Those letters she left behind have been restricted by the family for generations from public knowledge.

            But, I digress. From the time the Robber Barons played their thieving games until the Muckrakers outed them, it was Teddy Roosevelt who busted trusts and corporate attempts at monopoly before he was officially elected president.

            Democracy is a concept that is also an ideal. Those who hate it are tyrants, despots and men of greed who believe money can and will buy anything. So did Madoff.

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    2. rhetoric_phobic July 19, 2017

      GW was likable on a personal level just not presidential material. And he had the Dick who was the shadow president.

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      1. Sand_Cat July 20, 2017

        He was also a lying, hypocritical, mean-spirited chicken hawk who got a
        lot of people killed for nothing. Blaming Cheney is just a cop-out.

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        1. rhetoric_phobic July 21, 2017

          Oh I agree 100%. I just meant compared to trump’s demeanor. In no way do I think any of his actions as president should be forgotten . I have reminded people of that myself when they try to present him as some sensitive artist now. Hell no. The Obamas can go high on this one. I can’t.

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      2. Unkabob July 22, 2017

        Chaney was Dub’s major problem.. Old Dicky boy lowered the bar of presidential respect. Would GW still had done what he did without that woodpecker bleeding in his ear? We’ll never know.

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  2. rhetoric_phobic July 19, 2017

    The one thing that is not mentioned in this article regarding impeachment of Trump is Pence. One has to weigh that and trump picked him for that reason, as his insurance policy. Pence is far more dangerous and while getting rid of trump sounds good, I’d rather wait out the results of the investigation in the hopes they have extended a wide net and ALL of those who are complicit are caught. We already know pence is a liar too.

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    1. dave July 19, 2017

      Pence is more of a dog in the manger than trump could ever be !! With trump what you see is what you get for the most part,GOOD and BAD !! Pence is one of the reasons that gay couple who want to get married in pence’s home state are under threat of fine and prison for filling out and signing marriage licenses because it lists a man and a woman as getting married !! STATE forms are used for ALL types of marriage !!!! Pence is also another religious type just waiting to tell people what they can and can’t do because his bible says so !!!!!!! where do we go if trump AND pence are impeached,[pence can’t be as stupid as he says he is and as clueless as he acts can he ],????? There is a LONG list of repubs who are in the line of succession who either do or should scare the crap out of the average american !!!!

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      1. Charles Winter July 19, 2017

        Pence doesn’t really care about the Bible, and certainly not Jesus. His main concern is controlling women. He would be very happy with Shariah law.

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    2. Unkabob July 22, 2017

      I’m sorry but pence wasn’t trump’s fault.. that falls on the con jobs who is definitely using him as plan ‘B’.. Remember, trump’s first choice was that fat ass NJ donut slayer but then the cons offered him their endorsement and contributions (and stop trying to get rid of him) and he thought, ‘well, since I don’t really need a VP because I can do it all by myself and those fools, uh.. I mean friend conservatives are willing to save me money, why not’.. Never thinking exactly why they wanted pence in the first place.

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  3. rich corozine July 19, 2017

    These are all white people, of whom support the idiot’s delight – 89% of his supporters are white… so what does that tell you? Resentment. The world is changing (diversity, anyone?) and these fools want it to stay white. Pathetic.

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    1. 788eddie July 19, 2017

      I read a very interesting thesis that pushed forward the idea that Caucasian was a recessive gene.

      In my experience, whenever anyone who is white marries someone who isn’t white, the offspring most often look somewhere in the middle.

      That idea alone ought to keep a lot of white racists up at night.

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  4. 788eddie July 19, 2017

    Swing-state voters are not just souring on Trump; they’re souring on the GOP, along with Trump

    Everyone is clearly, and finally, seeing that conservatives cannot govern!

    They have the majority of both houses in Congress, the executive branch, and a decidedly conservative Supreme Court, aned, after more than half a year, have done squat!

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    1. Sand_Cat July 20, 2017

      For which we should all be deeply grateful.

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    2. Unkabob July 22, 2017

      Oh, but they still ‘squat’ to pee. In their world, that’s what they call progress.. along with kicking cans and knuckle dragging. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d241231429128a11f042de55bb39da0cffd1d9c12e750007b8f2508f91e5a926.jpg

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  5. Budjob July 19, 2017

    I live in one of those counties (Trumbull) in Ohio,and I am very disappointed by active union members,and retired union members.I find it reprehensible that they would abandon their ubnion morals,and support a con artist! However,I am very good at saying,”I told you so” !

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  6. Richard Prescott July 19, 2017

    I feel sorry for that Huber guy, he had to search for good points (I do not count tweets as a good point). The 2 he came up with are both essentially moot now as the GOP and his replace and repeal of the ACA has failed and the Paris Accord withdrawal may not happen (funny how when Trump’s properties are involved he “wakes up”.)

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    1. Sand_Cat July 20, 2017

      The creep still supports Trump. The only thing to feel sorry for is his incredible stupidity and the fact that idiots like him get to vote.

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  7. Sand_Cat July 20, 2017

    I’ll say again what I’ve said before: there mis nothing about Trump that wasn’t known or blindingly obvious during the campaign; screw all of these idiots and hypocrites that are now “sour” on Trump.

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  8. Unkabob July 22, 2017

    49% Disapproval..? STILL not enough.. STILL too many pro-wankers!! Wake me when that number reaches 100%.

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