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Restive Debates About ‘Ruthless Things’ — Fifth GOP Debates Spotlights Terror At Home And Abroad

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Restive Debates About ‘Ruthless Things’ — Fifth GOP Debates Spotlights Terror At Home And Abroad

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“We’re talking about ruthless things tonight,” co-moderator Hugh Hewitt said deep in the second debate.

Indeed, former Senator Rick Santorum kicked off the affair by asserting, “We have entered World War III,” setting the tone for a pair of fractious, grim GOP debates focussed on national security and terrorism. Questions touched on the fight against ISIS, turmoil in the Middle East, the bombing of civilians, nuclear proliferation in Iran and North Korea, border security, immigration, and the conflict between domestic surveillance and civil liberties.

Republican candidates for president met at the Venetian Hotel in Las Vegas Tuesday night for their fifth batch of debates. As before, the affair was divided into two movements: a primetime spectacle for the nine candidates leading in the polls and a warm-up act to collect the remaining four. The mainstage show included Donald Trump, Senator Ted Cruz from Texas, Senator Marco Rubio from Florida, Dr. Ben Carson, former Florida governor Jeb Bush, New Jersey governor Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina, Ohio governor John Kasich, and Senator Rand Paul from Kentucky. The undercard debate included former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, former New York governor George Pataki, Senator Lindsey Graham from South Carolina, and former Senator Rick Santorum from Pennsylvania. (Jim Gilmore, former Virginia governor, has not officially suspended his campaign yet. Though with his poll numbers at rock bottom, he was not invited to Tuesday’s debate, or indeed any of the three previous debates.)

Senator Lindsey Graham, returning after an absence from both November debates due to his low poll numbers, began by touting his latest trip to Iraq (his 36th to the region, he said), claiming — as he has previously — that his military and foreign policy experience made him uniquely qualified to be a wartime president, which he insisted the next commander-in-chief would be. He asserted more than once that another 9/11 was being planned at this very moment.

George Pataki opened by mentioning the bomb threat that shut down the Los Angeles public schools Tuesday — apparently a hoax — as a sign that Americans had every right to be concerned about their security. He closed by reminding viewers that he was governor of New York on 9/11 and encouraged Americans to visit the 9/11 Memorial and the new World Trade Center 1 building (which he referred to by its old name, the “Freedom Tower”), as they were testaments to the country’s perseverance.

The Scourge of “Political Correctness”

The candidates routinely described how “political correctness” — with they characterized as an enfeebled sensitivity to the feelings of Muslims at home and abroad — had hindered America’s ability to protect its citizens, hobbling domestic surveillance efforts and ennobling international terrorism by refusing to identify it precisely.

Every Republican agreed that the foreign policies of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, his first secretary of state and the leading Democratic candidate for president, had failed egregiously to protect Americans from Islamic terrorism. But Cuz suggested that the main failure was “not a lack of competence; it is political correctness.”

“Political correctness,” he asserted, “is killing people.” Had the Department of Homeland Security been permitted to monitor American Muslims’ Facebook activity without interference, he said, the Dec. 2 attack in San Bernardino and 2013 Boston Marathon bombing might have been prevented. No Republican running for president, Cruz said, would be a “prisoner to political correctness”

(During his Dec. 6 address, President Obama told Americans that the terrorists responsible for the San Bernardino attacks “had gone down the dark path of radicalization, embracing a perverted interpretation of Islam that calls for war against America and the West.” Despite the president’s language, the candidates routinely condemned him for having failed to identify the threat precisely as “radical Islamic terrorism,” suggesting multiple times that political correctness was to blame.)

“All jihadists are Muslims. We need to stop worrying about offending some people and worry about defending our country,” Santorum said. He also brushed aside the idea that targeting Islam was in any way religious discrimination, saying: “Islam is not just a religion; it is also a political governing structure.”

Huckabee said that if a prospective employer could look at a job candidate’s drunken photos from frat parties on Facebook, certainly the government ought to be able to monitor the social media activities of immigrants. Mosques were public places, he asserted, and surveilling them in no way contradicted the First and Fourth amendments.

When asked if it was acceptable to screen mosques for anti-American sentiment, Carson said that ISIS was planning to “take advantage of our PC attitude to get us.” In his closing remarks, the retired neurosurgeon also swore that as president he would save the country from the scourge of “political correctness.”

Extreme Measures

Several of the debaters expressed their opposition to admitting Syrian refugees, citing their distrust of the government’s abilities to properly screen and vet them. Santorum said performing adequate background checks for refugees coming from a war-torn region was a “physical impossibility.”

Donald Trump reasserted his plan to effect a temporary ban on all Muslims (“until we can figure out what’s going on”) from entering the U.S., which he said was not an issue of discrimination, nor was it a concern of his that such a policy might alienate potential allies in the Arab world. “We’re not talking about isolation; we’re talking about security,” he said. “We’re not talking about religion; we’re talking abut security.”

Pataki said that Trump’s plan to ban all Muslims from entering the United States was unconstitutional, un-American, and wrong, and he described the business tycoon as a modern-day Know-Nothing, referring to the mid-19th century political party that espoused nativist and anti-Catholic views.

Graham called Trump’s plan of a “total and complete shutdown on Muslims entering” the country “a coup” for ISIS because it would drive a wedge between the U.S. and the moderate Muslims rejecting radical Islam, who Graham maintained would be vital to defeating ISIS. However, he conceded: “If it’s Trump, so be it. That’s who I’ll support.” In fact, each of the candidates on the undercard condemned Trump, but wavered in their disapproval when asked if they would support him as the nominee, each man in his turn conceding that he would.

For his part, Trump renewed his promise not to run a third-party campaign, saying that he had gained great respect for the Republican leadership, was committed to the party, and was honored to be its frontrunner.

Trump also reaffirmed his intention to close down certain parts of the Internet, namely in parts of the world “where we are at war with somebody,” and his willingness to target the families of terrorists, saying that it would make terrorists think twice since “they may not care about their own lives, but they do care about their families.”

When Paul reminded Trump about the Geneva Convention, the mogul shot back: “So they can kill us? But we can’t kill them?”

Trump Vs. Bush

Bush said Trump’s plans betrayed his “lack of seriousness” — leading to a vicious confrontation between the two men, breaking an otherwise relatively subdued streak from Trump. Bush threw Trump’s comments that he gets his information from “the shows” back at him. (Zinger from Jeb: “I don’t know if that’s Saturday morning or Sunday morning.”)

Trump accused Bush of lacking “toughness,” mocked him for his remarks that immigrating to America was “an act of love,” and sneeringly asked if he was going to apologize to him. “With Jeb’s attitude, we will never be great again,” The Donald said.

“Donald, you’re not going to be able to insult your way to the presidency. And I do have the strength,” Bush affirmed. “Leadership is not about attacking people and disparaging people.”

Apparently referring to a Monmouth poll released Monday, Trump advised Bush: “I’m at 42 and you’re at 3. So far I’m doing better.” (That poll actually has Trump at 41.)

“It doesn’t matter,” Jeb said.

“So far I’m doing better,” Trump asserted. “You know, you started off over here,” gestering to the center of the stage, “you’re moving over further and further. Pretty soon you’re going to be on the end.”

When Trump accused CNN of being unprofessional and unfair by putting undue focus on him, posing many questions to candidates in contraposition to Trump’s stated views, Hewitt reminded him: “It’s not CNN. It’s America, watching you.”

Not Hawkish Enough

Rubio, Cruz, and Paul sparred over the twin issues of domestic security and border security; specifically at issue was the USA Freedom Act, an update of the Patriot Act enacted in June 2015, which set limits on bulk metadata collection. When the bill passed the Senate, Cruz supported it, Rubio did not, and Paul attempted to filibuster its passage, because he believed even the curbed surveillance powers it granted were still too intrusive.

Cruz alleged that the act had strengthened the tools to go after terrorism, empowering law enforcement to focus “on the bad guys and not on law abiding citizens.” Rubio countered that there was nothing permitted under this bill that could not be done before, except that the loss of the valuable metadata tool was a vital one, which could have been used to prevent the terror attack in Southern California or future attacks.

Both Paul and Cruz accused Rubio of insincerely advocating for increased domestic security, while repeating their prior claims that the Florida senator had betrayed conservative policy on immigration by once supporting a 2013 bill for amnesty — which, Paul said, betrayed a fundamental misunderstanding of immigration issues. Shortly after the November debate, Cruz had also accused Rubio of flip-flopping on immigration, saying he had tried “to jam this amnesty down the American people’s throats.”

Although Graham referred to Cruz as an isolationist and accused the Texas senator of “withdrawing from the battlefield,” it was less than two weeks ago that Cruz promised to “utterly destroy ISIS” by “carpet-bomb[ing] them into oblivion.”

“I don’t know if sand can glow in the dark,” Cruz had said, “but we’re going to find out!”

Carson deflected a question about his military strategy by describing the process of removing brain tumors from children: “You should see the eyes of some of those children when I tell them I will take the tumor out of their head,” he began, illustrating how you had to be tough and resolute to see your way through a successful surgery — just like a bombing campaign. When asked to weigh in on Rubio and Cruz’s discussion about metadata collection, a flustered Carson seemed to confess that he wasn’t quite sure what the men were talking about. (“I think you have to ask them about that,” he said. “I don’t want to get in between them. Let them fight.”)

Throughout the evening, Fiorina and Christie cited their executive experience (as CEO of Hewlett-Packard and governor of New Jersey, respectively), and sounded similar notes of exasperation with the legislators and their proclivity for debate and emphasis on minutiae, claiming that they alone had the expertise to take real, substantive action. Fiorina suggested that her lack of speaking time was one reason for America’s disenchantment with the political class. (In fact, Kasich had the least speaking time.)

The Slippery Ted Cruz

Cruz — the one GOP candidate who has steadfastly been chummy with Trump — has enjoyed a recent surge in the polls, surpassing the tycoon in a few Iowa polls and coming in second nationally. Last week, the Texas senator was caught voicing some surreptitiously recorded remarks, in which he admitted he was playing nice with Trump and Carson, waiting to snatch up their support once GOP voters decided they didn’t want either man “having their finger on the button.”

Despite some harsh words between the Trump and Cruz in the days leading up to campaign, Cruz’s characteristically slippery evasions fizzled any potential confrontation. He said his comments had reflected his hope that Republican voters would make an honest decision. And there appeared to be no love lost between the two men.

Consciously or not, their closing statements chimed nicely together. Trump’s refrain, of course, was the now familiar “We don’t win anymore.”

Cruz: “Our strategy is simple: we win, they lose. We’ve done it before; we can do it again.”

This was the final Republican debate of the year. There are only seven more to go.

Republican U.S. presidential candidates (L-R) Dr. Ben Carson, businessman Donald Trump and Senator Ted Cruz hold their hands over their hearts for the singing of the U.S. national anthem before the start of the Republican presidential debate in Las Vegas, Nevada December 15, 2015.    REUTERS/Mike Blake

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Sam Reisman

Sam Reisman is the former managing editor at The National Memo, where he still writes the weekly "This Week In Crazy" column. His writing has appeared in Flavorpill, The Huffington Post, Columbia Daily Spectator, and Bwog. He was the publisher of the 2010 edition of Inside New York, an annual guidebook to the city for students and young professionals.

Since 2011, he has co-curated and hosted Peculiar Streams, a showcase for NYC-based writers, musicians, comedians, and filmmakers. He is a staff writer at Mediaite, and blogs at SamReisman.com.

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  1. Leftout December 16, 2015

    Ruthless solutions to a Ruthless enemy. Perhaps we should invite them here ..,,,oops we already have. Here we are as a open nation , welcome all them graciously, yet these Islamists repay us with mayhem. If their own Moslems mosques would speak out against such nterrorism , Moslems communities would be supported . Their silence is OUTRAGEOUS. speak up or the consequences are your making!!!!

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker December 16, 2015

      And you want to explain how Sgt. Khan, a Muslim who while in Iraq saw a mysterious looking vehicle, told his troop to stay back and when he walked 10 steps toward the vehicle got blown to bits and save 10 mens lives?

      You are a bigot. You fool know one with your anti-Muslim BS. You jerks of the right are mentally ill.

      In case dipshits like you need reminding. Here are the words from the 1st President of the US, George Washington:

      “For happily the Government of the United States gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.”

      Now do you need someone to stuff a sock in your “ignernt” fool mouth to shut it for you?

      By the way, Sgt. Khan got a purple heart and a Bronze Medal of Honor…What have you got besides no brains, a big mouth and a monthly welfare check my taxes pay for?

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      1. Cloudherder December 16, 2015

        With these bigoted Republicans, all I see is fear, or wanting to drum up fear in their voting base. There is a deep sickness running through this country right now. Sad and scary.

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        1. stcroixcarp December 16, 2015

          Fear and anger. Has anyone in the grips of either fear or anger ever made a sensible decision?

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        2. RED December 16, 2015

          It’s called the Con sickness!!

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        3. Eleanore Whitaker December 16, 2015

          You can thank the Koch boys and the rest of the mega billionaires who scrape up every mental case in mental institutions where the criminally insane are bought computers to play with. Hate is all they know. But, they cannot be allowed to pollute the minds of our young people. These are relics of the Civil War South and the Great Depression Midwest who live all too long in the past. They are the real Walking Dead.

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      2. Leftout December 16, 2015

        Sgt. Khan is a Hero, Syed Farook and wife,
        Nidal Hassan-Ft Hood and many similar others have found to hate and misbehave . It is not to excuse others

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker December 16, 2015

          Is that your reverse position on how you hate Muslims but this one gets a pass? Yeesh..do you CONmen ever stop with your BS?

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          1. Leftout December 16, 2015

            No, I do not hate Musloms, just Moslems that do not excercise modern judgement in relating to God. It is not 600 AD. Even the Olde Book the Jews , told God ,” cut the crap about eye for an eye ” and other nonsense. it is time for an Islamic Reformation, but some of you women might like rough handling by men, wearing clothing with no underwear and burkas, or a good beating once in a while to keep you in the kitchen ; or servicing the lusty needs of men between praying .

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    2. pisces63 December 16, 2015

      I’m sorry, I am a 66 year old black woman whose family has been here since before the Civil War. When in hell did this gracious welcome come about? To Whom? You’re still burning OUR churches. Shooting us in churches. Trying to take away my/our voting rights. We have always supported America, even during times of slavery, jim crow, etc. That never helped US. You really think that lie is believed by the Islamic community? I watch YOU, white Christians. Nothing tragic or murderous done in my people’s history in this country was by any Muslim. You better not come into my neighborhood and bother any of our Mosques, either.

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      1. stcroixcarp December 16, 2015

        Well said , sister.

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      2. greenlantern1 December 16, 2015

        I am a Christian!
        I am a Caucasian!
        I am a New Yorker!
        I used to be a Republican.
        That was before Nixon.
        Like Lincoln; I bolted.
        He formed the UNION party.
        Can I join your side?

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      3. Leftout December 16, 2015

        I am sorry you are 66, unhappy. Many wrongs have been righted by anti silvery act and extension of academic opportunities to all to improve ones position if you have the inclination , even Barak Obama a person of white privilege managed to get his butt moving, along with Eric Holder, Susan Rice, Herman Cain , Colin Powell, Tavis Smiley, Condie Rice, Valerie Jarrett, Ben Carson, Al
        Sharpton , Jesse Jackson, Wipbur Corprew, Lathy Freeman, justice Thomas, Cory booker National Basketball League, Prince George’s County Maryland, Most of the NFL. Ho humm.

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker December 16, 2015

          Man oh man are you one sick pup! Do get professinal psychiatric help. I’m sure that old man of yours really banged your head around enough to make sure all you know is hate. Let me guess…you are po white trailah trahsh from GA? Or some other befrigged bigot state?

          I’m an American. Americans don’t tolerate scumbuckets like you. Get a life you loser.

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          1. Leftout December 16, 2015

            Je Suisse Americaine, live in New England and sometimes NJ shore. You dun ain’t speled”trailer trash” rightly, mum.

            Your profiling skill set is inaccurate. I can teach you how to do it more accurately, I am really good at it, being a bigot and such.

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          2. Insinnergy December 16, 2015

            Oh look… a stoned Meta-Republican.
            Not helpful but amusing.

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          3. Leftout December 16, 2015

            Ah, you be wrong. Only helpful Non-Meta, amusing, factual absolutes, Never stoned, no political names for me, only consider issues and their merit

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        2. pisces63 December 16, 2015

          Immigration was the discussion and of course like typical righties you got off on a wrong tangent. I am not unhappy, sad, blue, etc. I do not take mental pills, either and never have. Let me break it down for even you to understand. Gracious!!!! Italians were NOT graciously welcome. Irish were not treated graciously. No new immigrants of the 19th century were ‘graciously’ welcomed. They did not allow Asians citizenship until after WWII, I believe or around that time. Before they were forbidden citizenship and to own land. Gracious?! That is what I wrote about only using my people who have been here the longest and how we have not YET received a gracious anything. MY children are third generation college graduates, so that boat won’t float, either. In modern days, the Viet Nam evacuees were not treated graciously, either. Too many Italians changed their names or anglicized it to fit in or not get a job. How gracious is that? I just prefer to speak of my own people from first-hand knowledge.

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          1. Polana December 16, 2015

            WHAT???

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          2. Leftout December 20, 2015

            Many blacks have changed their names to misspelled pain in the butt tongue twisters: la Shawnell Abu shabazz., hey , what s wrong with Van Jones , or Barack ….scratch that.

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          3. pisces63 December 22, 2015

            So, you’re point? No matter what name is used, it’s their choice and not yours. I know a lot of names from many countries that are odd. Look at Poles. Eastern bloc countries. Russian. Read it in their languages, dare you. Not a thing wrong with Barack, Hussain, my brother in law’school Nigerian name Omorogieva. Deal with it.

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          4. Leftout December 22, 2015

            I was responding to the fact that many immigrants change their names to more easily assimilate, as compared to others who change their names to separate themselves , do I dare say segregate themselves. Many communities sprang up in cities as comfort zones of similar cultures but they tried to assimilate rather than not, back in the olde days. I personally like separate neighbor hoods, one does not go to little Italy to get Chinese food.

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        3. JPHALL December 17, 2015

          Same misspelled response as before. The word is “slavery” not silvery. Also, more than 3 million Blacks, out of 45 million, are in college now as you say getting their butts moving.

          It is funny that none of the White murderers, who you refuse to call terrorists, were college grads. So getting your butt moving should not be something only Blacks need to do.

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          1. Leftout December 17, 2015

            I did not check demographics of white killers, however , Blacks have a great opportunity to move ahead since white males are getting lazy about finishing formal education, but women are getting ahead of white males also:
            According to an analysis of Census Bureau data released by Reach Advisors in 2008, single childless women between ages 22 and 30 were earning more than their male counterparts in most United States cities, with incomes that were 8% greater than males on average. This shift is driven by the growing ranks of women who attend colleges and move on to high-earning jobs.[8]

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    3. stcroixcarp December 16, 2015

      Muslims ARE speaking out against ISIS. If you change the channel from Fox, you will hear and see it.

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      1. Leftout December 16, 2015

        I watch all CNN, MSNBC PBS etc have seen very little Speaks NY out by Moslems , they are probably afraid , now why is that!

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        1. RED December 16, 2015

          Are you condemning the white terrorists?? Haven’t heard you speaking out against their ideology. Only excusing with the old mentally ill routine.

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          1. Leftout December 16, 2015

            White serial killers have all been found to have mental challenges , unfortunately we have not been able to confine them,
            Or watch them and isolate them
            Due to restrictive Rules concerning recording these people. Current practice is to try and mainstream everyone so as
            Not to offend their sense of being.

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          2. neeceoooo December 16, 2015

            You can thank the GOP’s favorite president, Ronald Reagan for shutting down the mental institutions.

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          3. Leftout December 16, 2015

            There were no mental problems back them, everyone be was content, except for the air traffic controllers .

            The theory back then was to mainstream the mentally ill for better outcomes. These people however require a bit more sophisticated and professional oversight . However ,A change is needed to take care of these people.

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          4. jmprint December 16, 2015

            Most homeless people have some kind of undiagnosed mental disease, but instead of helping them, we make their life harder.

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          5. Leftout December 16, 2015

            Tia true, these people require intense care by caring people. We are all too busy to stop and help. Professional oversight for these is very expensive unless you are a Mother Theresa.

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          6. jmprint December 16, 2015

            To busy to stop and help, but not too busy to force women to have babies that will have issues due to drug use or medical issues. Republicans play the Mother Theresa roll for a fetus, but not for a human life in need.

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          7. greenlantern1 December 16, 2015

            John Wilkes Booth was just mentally ill?

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          8. Leftout December 16, 2015

            Yes John was mentally ill, he was a Democrat , and Democratically also wanted to keep slavery intact, aside from being a raving anti-abolitionist , any one who murders is obviously mentally short changed. As has been documented , Liberalism / Democrats and their policies generate mental problems amongst their kind. These groups should be confined to certain areas , Wash, DC, NYC, and LA. ?.and observed for improvement. Massachusetts has already made significant improvements , since slipping away from the “Biden shackles “of Liberalism.

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          9. greenlantern1 December 16, 2015

            John Wilkes Booth was no lone conspirator!
            Accomplices were hanged!
            The RADICAL REPUBLICANS impeached Lincoln’s VP, Andrew Johnson!
            Were they sane?

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          10. Leftout December 16, 2015

            The topic switched from mentally challenged killers to politics. These Radical Republicans were over zealous, and impeached Johnson for relevant charges, but they did not go the ten yards, essentially giving Johnson a scare, warning. Not to mess with the Consistution and appoint people while Congress is in session/recess…..where have you heard this before…lately ?

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        2. jmprint December 16, 2015

          Do you spell Muslims, different out of fear?

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          1. Leftout December 16, 2015

            I guess you know that there is a difference in their meaning, yes?

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          2. jmprint December 16, 2015

            No difference in meaning. Thought they were one in the same.

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          3. Leftout December 16, 2015

            Nay , they have different meanings, check it out.

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    4. RED December 16, 2015

      Like all Cons, you’re a little cry baby. The ones who have repaid with mayhem are the right wing white terrorists, thug cops, and ignorant Cons. Those are the people responsible for the pain and suffering of all those in the United States. But, as all educated, intelligent people already know, you can’t teach a dumb Con facts. (Sorry, dumb & Con together is a bit redundant)

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      1. Leftout December 16, 2015

        Whites are also mischievous , but generally are patriots as well as most Blacks. There are some bad apples out there and some rare folks go amuck . Most have been found to be mentally ill.

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        1. RED December 16, 2015

          Mischievous?? Really?? Ahh, the Con logic, or lack thereof. So white guy murders a bunch of people, mentally ill. Brown guy kills, it Islamic ideology. Start facing facts, the Cons are a radical terrorist organization, traitors to the country!!

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          1. Leftout December 16, 2015

            Brown guys kill because of stress in not being able to get opportunities .
            Many wrongs have been righted by anti silvery act and extension of academic opportunities to all to improve ones position if you have the inclination , even Barak Obama a person of white privilege managed to get his butt moving, along with Eric Holder, Susan Rice, Herman Cain , Colin Powell, Tavis Smiley, Condie Rice, Valerie Jarrett, Ben Carson, Don Lemmon, Al Sharpton , Jesse Jackson, Wilbur Corprew, Lathy Freeman, justice Thomas, Cory booker National Basketball League, Prince George’s County Maryland, Most of the NFL.. On and on..,,, Ho humm.ipsit loc. cit.

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          2. Polana December 16, 2015

            “With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion” Steven Weinberg

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          3. greenlantern1 December 16, 2015

            Both John Brown and William Quantrill were white.
            Condone their murders?

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          4. Leftout December 16, 2015

            Quantrill was shot in a raid , not murdered, John Brown was a good Republican abolitionist that was hanged by the southern Virginians who wanted to keep slaves in bondage much like the Democratic policies of today that the Blacks in slavery.

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          5. greenlantern1 December 17, 2015

            President Lincoln praised Robert E. Lee for capturing John Brown!
            He was hanged, AFTER his trial, by the US government!

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          6. Leftout December 17, 2015

            Robert E. Lee was still a part of the Norths Military, still the South has not yet seceeded . So he was performing his Commanders request…..personal communications. The great Robert E Lee was still a Northern boy, at the time, in Virginia, a confederate state in the minds of the residents.

            Are you a history student , studying for an exam??!!!

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          7. greenlantern1 December 19, 2015

            Robert E. Lee was never a president of the NRA.
            Grant was.
            A NORTHERN organization?

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          8. Leftout December 19, 2015

            Tia true , but so what. Is there something wrong with the NRA, or NKCA, or. NHRA? They do not advocate cutting people’s heads off or driving over people respectively . Do they.

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          9. greenlantern1 December 20, 2015

            Karla Faye Tucker was a murderess!
            She CLAIMED to be a CHRISTIAN!
            Should she have been executed?
            What did Billy Graham say?

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          10. Leftout December 20, 2015

            I proclaim she was mentally incompetent and she should have been given timeless presence with herself, instead of execution, not because she was a Christian.if she were a Christian she would not have committed this act, unless as in Moslems they are inherently de ranged and have not any discrimination on these matters. billy Graham would probably say “what difference does it make” . She was happy in the end.

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          11. greenlantern1 December 21, 2015

            Was CAIN sane when he murdered ABEL?

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          12. Leftout December 21, 2015

            Of course, I was also Gods fault as well. Cain found out that he was to marry his sister of course. She was uglier than a camel, therefore it was the first case of having your partner wear a burka to avoid erectile dysfunction. Well, needless to say the burka ripped and he became flaccid. He made her wear two.burkas as just in case the first was torn in the heat of passion….same thing happened so She was made to wear 3 burkas. This seemed to have worked, and his slster became the first 3 burka woman….somewhat like Sandra Fluke or Debbie washerman Schultz. Needless to say Cain was really ticked off about all preparatory gear just to have a Lay. He took his wrath out on his brother Abel, who was a sheep herder, and seemed to be content with that.

            Why are you obsessed with murders and such. Are you trying to justify an upcoming event let me know.

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    5. greenlantern1 December 16, 2015

      Has Trump EVER denounced the murders at Trump Taj Mahal?

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      1. Leftout December 16, 2015

        Not that I know, the murderer was a known long time gambler, addicted and there forefore by deduction a chronic loser. He was angry because he thought gambling halls are cheating people, …..so why did he frequent these dens of sin. He suffered from lack of judgement and ability to discriminate and live more realistically .

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        1. oldtack December 16, 2015

          But, He’s NOT a Terrorist? If he was perchance a Muslim would he be a Terrorist?

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        2. greenlantern1 December 16, 2015

          You left out gin joint.
          Let me be perfectly clear.
          Humphrey Bogart Trump is not!!

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  2. Eleanore Whitaker December 16, 2015

    The Republican men are nothing but a bunch of hateful, mean spirited, spiteful little wusses. Not a single one of them has ever had a real job but they are the first to take away the earnings of those who break a sweat every day. Cruz is the worst. He is a Canadian phony whom no one in Calgary ever knew existed until his Cuban Rebel Daddy sucked up to Calgary’s Big Oil boys.

    It is so like Republican men to try and pull the wool over everyone’s eyes by lies and deception.

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  3. sealbeams December 16, 2015

    One question. Are these men all the GOP have to offer? Americans are in bigger trouble than I thought.

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    1. @HawaiianTater December 16, 2015

      Doesn’t it make you laugh when you hear people say it’s the best primary field they’ve ever had?

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      1. FT66 December 16, 2015

        Am one of them. I have never seen this before. My old mom is speechless.

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      2. sealbeams December 17, 2015

        It does make me laugh. The problem is that it is real and not very funny. I listened to some conservative talk radio and was amazed to hear these guys being praised. I don’t get it. Its like another planet. Then you have to stop and think, these guys are trying to sell themselves to the rest of us but there is nothing there that anyone would be interested in buying. Nothing! Maybe someone should pump some oxygen into the room. these guys are brain dead.

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  4. RED December 16, 2015

    Well, once again the evidence proves that all Cons are the scum of the Earth. They admit that Trump is a lying, ignorant fool who is a fascist and proposes completely Un-Constitutional plans. And yet every one of these scumbags agree to support him, proving they have no principles and are absolute traitors to the United States, common decency, and humanity itself. I dream of a day when the scourge of the Con sickness has left humanity forever thereby making the world a much better place.

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    1. @HawaiianTater December 16, 2015

      Next year’s elections will be a big deciding factor over whether or not the Con sickness is here to stay. It’s entirely possible that it will doom the USA and the only way to escape it is to actually leave the country before they completely destroy it. You certainly wouldn’t want to be here if they ever got complete control. The rest of the world already hates us enough as it is.

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      1. RED December 16, 2015

        I truly believe you are absolutely correct, HT. It’s a frightening prospect. An all Con government would doom my kids as far as living in the US, if not the entire world.

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        1. @HawaiianTater December 16, 2015

          Of course, this is a doomsday scenario but this is what I see happening under full right wing extremist conservative control of the country. They would crash the economy with their trickle down BS, eliminate the Constitution in favor of Christian sharia law and effectively turn the entire world against us. The only reason the world tolerates us as a leader is because of the strength of our military. Without a functioning economy, our military would be weakened. If we were ever reduced to the point that we were not the dominant military in the world, the USA would be finished.

          That said, I don’t think that is how things will play out. I have a lot of faith going into next year’s elections. I believe the GOP will self destruct long before they come anywhere near complete control of the country. I see this is as the Last Great Stand of the Christian Right who wants to keep us stuck in the past. History says the parties of the past always lose out to progress. The USA is at the tipping point. A tip backwards could destroy the country. A tip forwards would mean huge gains for the future. I’m inclined to have faith in the latter.

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  5. oldtack December 16, 2015

    I reference the entry on this forum by pices63.

    Everyone on here tends to see and revile all acts of terrorism as BAD but conveniently overlook you own vileness and religious bigotry and terrorist acts – in the name of GOD of course.

    How many of you on this forum have ever taken the writings and directives of Allah form the Quran and juxtaposed that to the writings and directives of GOD in the Torah?

    How many have marveled at the the “stories” of Creation related in the Quran to the Creation “stories” in the Torah?

    The Judaic Faith had no earthly name for the Creator. He was I AM. In formal discourse the Creator was referred to as Elohim commonly referred to as Ella or Eloi.. Reference the words of Jesus as he hung on the cross “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani” (My GOD, My GOD, Why hast thou forsaken me)? Look at the words Ellea, Eloi as contrasted to the Arabic Allah. Do you see similarities?

    The Judaic faith and about six hundred years after the death of Jesus, the Islamic Faith both contain directives from GOD or ALLAH to put to death anyone including the wife you love or a son or daughter to death if they worshiped any other God other than ALLAH or GOD?

    After the death of Jesus and the birth of Christianity did this type of belief disappear? NO. Reference Foxe’s book of Martyr’s . Reference the Catholic Inquisition where thousands were killed because the questioned the dogma of the Catholic Church. Reference the Spanish Inquisition. Reference the Pilgrims, Reference the people in Salem Massachusetts in 1692 when they hanged people for suspected witchcraft, whee they killed one large man by piling boulders on him until he died. What they did to “SLAVES” if these people were found to be worshiping another GOD. Or the killing of Joseph Smith and many of his followers in Illinois because he was perceived to be worshiping a false GOD.

    NONE of the above atrocities was done by the average believer of any Faith – Muslim, Jewish, Christian Mormon or any other. All of these atrocities were committed by radical zealots corrupting the teachings of their Religion to mean what they want it to mean so they can claim justification for their vile acts.

    We are at the verge of destroying the structure of our Entire Nation in a feeding frenzy of fear. Destroying good people of all faiths out of pure FEAR.

    Rather- we need to reach out to all Faiths to come together and combat and destroy the zealots and radicals by exposing them as what they really are.

    Will this ever come to pass? Probably not. But one can hope.

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    1. Leftout December 16, 2015

      Well researched , most of these Christian zealots were reformed to peace by the more moderates after some backlash. We are at the same place with trying to persuade Moslems to have a reformation as the people of the Olde Book and the Mis guided elite ?Christians ,during the Inquisition

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      1. oldtack December 16, 2015

        Each weekend finds me at a fundraiser at a gun show somewhere and I talk to hundreds of people.

        Don’t be beguiled The Zealots and Radicals are still active and strong in the Christian faith. They pose as Christians “Lord as Personal Savior and all that. If they kill people we call them deranged or something else but not Terrorists? Why?

        Moderate Christians have done much to quell the radicals and zealots in the Faith but they are still out there and 2016 is the year I think they will erupt onto the scene.

        Moderate devout Muslims pose no threat but they refuse to take action against their Zealots and radicals for some reason or other.

        Rough times lie ahead.

        Meanwhile the Trumpster continues to wreak havoc to the aims and goals of the DNC and the GOP. Best comedy show on TV at this time.-bar none. Don’t miss the next episode.

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        1. Leftout December 16, 2015

          Trump is shaking the Political Sloths out of the trees, I love it. Both parties are Into propagating a secret system for themselves and do not respond to the people. Trump and others are peeling away their cover.

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          1. oldtack December 16, 2015

            You have that right on.

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  6. greenlantern1 December 16, 2015

    The Trump TAJ MAHAL just paid a $10,000,000 fine!
    It allowed terrorists, to use it, to launder money!
    National interest?
    Was the Walter Reed scandal in the national interest?
    The BONUS MARCH?
    Was the TEAPOT DOME scandal in the national interest?

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  7. nana4gj December 16, 2015

    In the photo with this article, Cruz seems to be reaching for his “gat”, his pistol, inside his jacket….Everyone was so angry I would not be surprised if they were “carrying”.

    Anyway, the clown car was full of clowns who weren’t even trying to be funny. I never saw such an angry bunch, at each other, at Muslims and terrorists, and, of course, at the “hapless and feckless” President, for doing much of what they all miscombobulated they would do, all but start WW III, that is. Much of it was incoherent; much of it was how they she ran HP into the ground; and what was coherent is totally unacceptable to me.

    I trust not one of them, for anything. This is one sorry bunch. They all need, at the least, some anger management and every one of them is unstable.

    I understand Hillary is an easy target. After all, she has a resume of over 20 years of public service, much of it on behalf of children and families, and accomplishments that helped make men look good, her very own endeavor was as a US Senator. She knows about government and the relation of policies to governance, and the practical application of policies that, if not perfect, can serve the common good at home and abroad. She has a resume, a lifetime resume.

    But, this bunch? Everyone of them, empty, vaccuous, immature, and highly emotional, none with a good grasp of anything, other than we should be very afraid because Paris was attacked by terrorists and because foreign inspired terrorists took advantage of our national weak spot, massive gun shootings, and used it to achieve their own ambitions, for their own ideology, just like all the other mass shooters/terrorists in this country on a monthly basis. I wonder how they assign value on the degree of fear we should feel about these mass shootings. I must be the only person who finds their hysteria and hyperventilating over the California shootings, a bit bizarre, since we usually do not hear one peep out of them on the others and four of them, Graham, Paul, Cruz, Rubio, sit in the US Senate.

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  8. 1GG December 16, 2015

    “Huckabee said that if a prospective employer could look at a job candidate’s drunken photos from frat parties on Facebook, certainly the government ought to be able to monitor the social media activities of immigrants.”

    I thought the GOP was for smaller government and to get it out of our lives, except of course women’s health, so how is the government suppose to be monitoring social media, that would take a hugh increase in personal. Not that I ever expect the GOP to make sense.

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    1. Independent1 December 16, 2015

      The GOPs ploy about smaller government is just that, a ploy. They don’t really want smaller government, they just want to get rid of the government departments that set regulations they don’t like – like ones that say they have to run their businesses honestly, and not destroy the country or end up killing people as they try to maximize profits from the companies they run.

      Fact is, that Reagan and the 2 Bushes, increased the size of our government by over 300,000 workers (Reagan by over 280,000 himself); while under Carter, Clinton and Obama our government has come down by over 380,000 being 330,000 smaller today than it was when Reagan left office in 1989 even though there are more than 50 million more American’s are government is trying to serve.

      And while Bush 2 was in office, all governments combined – state, county, local and federal were increased by over 950,000 government workers; while under Obama those governments have shrunk by over 700,000 workers.

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  9. bcarreiro December 16, 2015

    War is raw spelled backwards. These candidates draw their party line with a crayon. This is why Americans are turning against each other….for them. Do you think they have us all in mind, do u think they have your back. Bernie Sanders is not owned and operated by influence but they are…..Democracy spring..April 2nd.

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  10. Sterling Harris December 16, 2015

    ONE QUESTIONS WHO’S CHILDREN ARE GOING TO WAR YOURS. YOU WILL PROBABLY NEED TO INSTITUTE THE DRAFT.

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