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Sometimes I think I learned more politically relevant lessons playing ball than anywhere else. If nothing else, sports teach realism: what you can do, what you can’t, how to deal with it. Also, what’s the score, how much time’s left, and what’s the best tactic right now?

It helps to know the rules, and it’s important to keep your head. Bad plays are inevitable, dumb plays less forgivable.

But here’s something else you learn playing ball: not everybody on your team is going to be your friend, just as people wearing different-colored shirts aren’t personal enemies.

Also, spectators can be fickle. Your most passionate fans can quickly turn into your opponent’s ally.

These are all useful concepts during an American primary election.

An athlete in his youth, Bernie Sanders appears to understand overwrought fans. His campaign’s apology to Hillary Clinton supporters harassed online by so-called “Bernie Bros,” angry young men given to coarse attacks upon anybody — especially women — supporting his rival was a class move.

“If you support @berniesanders,” Sanders aide Mike Casca tweeted from Iowa, “please follow the senator’s lead and be respectful when people disagree with you.”

Columnist Joan Walsh has called out the Bernie Bros’ behavior. “When I’ve disclosed that my daughter works for Clinton — in The Nation, on MSNBC, and on social media — we’ve both come in for trolling so vile,” she wrote “it’s made me not merely defensive of her. It’s forced me to recognize how little society respects the passion of the many young women — and men — who are putting their souls into electing the first female president.”

Walsh told BuzzFeed that while she didn’t blame Sanders, “it is disturbing to see such a misogynist strain in the male left. It’s not a new thing, but it’s tough to experience.”

Kathleen Geier, a contributor to The Nation and a Sanders supporter, concedes the Bernie Bros are definitely “doing harm to the cause. I haven’t seen people treat Obama supporters like this, or supporters of other male establishment candidates — just Hillary. So it’s definitely misogyny.”

Well, yes and no. See, I suspect many of these jokers are Internet trolls in the original sense: right-wing Hillary-haters seeking to foment discord among Democrats.

Anybody can pretend to be anything online. Anonymity encourages people to unmask their darkest impulses. Read the comments line to almost anything on the Internet about the Clinton-Sanders campaign.

Did a group of prominent women Senators and diplomats endorse Hillary?

“Their vaginas are making terrible choices!” writes one characteristically vulgar Sanders supporter. The discussion goes straight downhill from there.

Even in the relatively civilized precincts of The Guardian, commenters to a Jill Abramson column sympathetic to Clinton revel in nasty sexual insults:

“Yes, please tell me how Shillary is the nicest corporate oligarchical servant, and how she will lovingly sell out the people who voted for her to her banker masters, with a twinkle in her fellating eye.”

Another online philosopher opines that “she can’t be good for a nation if she wasn’t good enough for her husband.”

A third adds that “Hillary is a terrible campaigner and a much worse human being. She is thoroughly corrupt, dishonest, vile, vindictive, vengeful, condescending, etc.”

As somebody who’s gotten obscene, often threatening emails WRITTEN ALL IN IN CAPS for years, I can’t say I’m shocked. Recently a tough guy in Illinois speculated that being named “Eugene” made me a sissy; Noreen says Hillary’s a COMMIE BITCH. My photo makes her vomit.

All in a day’s work.

Anyway, maybe I’m looking in the wrong places, but I see no comparable venom towards Bernie Sanders. My own strongest reservation is that despite his admirable qualities, I’ve seen few signs of political realism in his campaign.

As baseball people say, there’s no such thing as a six-run home run. How otherwise sensible Democrats have persuaded themselves that a candidate preaching “revolution” and promising big tax increases can win come November in swing states like Ohio, Michigan, and Florida—places that have trended Democratic, but have Republican governors — is hard for me to grasp.

(Unless, of course, the GOP nominates a far-right Froot Loop like Ted Cruz, not a probability I’d want to gamble on.)

The Daily Banter’s Chez Pazienza sums up everything that needs to be said about “Bernie Bros,” make-believe and real: “if you’re a liberal who believes these things about Clinton — if you see her as anything other than a liberal Democrat who’s guilty of nothing more than being a politician with faults and with a plethora of enemies like every other on this planet, including Bernie Sanders — you’ve proven that the protracted smear campaign against this woman has worked. You prove that the GOP won a long time ago.”

Meanwhile, both candidates’ supporters would do well to recall that Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton voted together in the U.S. Senate 93 percent of the time.

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Gene Lyons

Gene Lyons is a political columnist and author. Lyons writes a column for the Arkansas Times that is nationally syndicated by United Media. He was previously a general editor at Newsweek as wells an associate editor at Texas Monthly where he won a National Magazine Award in 1980. He contributes to Salon.com and has written for such magazines as Harper's, The New York Times Magazine, The New York Review of Books, Entertainment Weekly, Washington Monthly, The Nation, Esquire, and Slate.

A graduate of Rutgers University with a Ph.D. in English from the University of Virginia, Lyons taught at the Universities of Massachusetts, Arkansas and Texas before becoming a full-time writer in 1976. A native of New Jersey, Lyons has lived in Arkansas with his wife Diane since 1972. The Lyons live on a cattle farm near Houston, Ark., with a half-dozen dogs, several cats, three horses, and a growing herd of Fleckvieh Simmental cows.
Lyons has written several books including The Higher Illiteracy (University of Arkansas, 1988), Widow's Web (Simon & Schuster, 1993), Fools for Scandal (Franklin Square, 1996) as well as The Hunting Of The President: The 10 Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton, which he co-authored with National Memo Editor-in-Chief Joe Conason.

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  1. ray February 10, 2016

    Hillary or Bernie beats the hell out of any of the repugs.

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    1. @HawaiianTater February 10, 2016

      The electability argument is a moot point. No matter how unelectable Bernie and Hillary supporters think the other is, Trump, Cruz and the rest of the Klown Kar is even more unelectable.

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      1. The lucky one February 11, 2016

        I sure hope so but as has been said before, don’t underestimate the stupidity of the American people. Just watching Trump supporters at one of his virtual reality rallies underlines that observation.

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        1. @HawaiianTater February 11, 2016

          My confidence in the general election comes from knowledge of voting patterns, demographics and the electoral college. There are certain states that are going to blue or red no matter what. Among the swing states that actually decide the election, you can’t win enough of them for the WH without a certain percentage of the minority vote and the single women vote; otherwise known as the two groups that hate the GOP the most. Remember after Obama kicked their butts in 2012, their “experts” told them what they needed to do to be competitive in the general election? Not only have they not followed that advice, they have doubled down on the things that caused them to lose so badly the last time.

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        2. nana4gj February 13, 2016

          It’s worse than the popularity contests in high school for Student Council or for Prom King. “No more homework!” “Four hour school days!” “Smoking in class!” “Increased minimum wage for showing up to class!” “F is the new C, everyone wins!”

          Actually, there’s another candidate’s campaign is the same popularity contest in this ridiculosity, IMO.

          Must be where we are as a society.

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  2. Otto Greif February 10, 2016

    “Hillary is a terrible campaigner and a much worse human being. She is thoroughly corrupt, dishonest, vile, vindictive, vengeful, condescending, etc.”

    True.

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    1. ray February 10, 2016

      And you are a troll.

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    2. Insinnergy February 10, 2016

      Of course we have to view your statement through the “Otto Lens”.

      This Lens reduces IQ to that of a Republican Base voter… (then increases it slightly to allow for potty training…) then twists it into a cry for help from a basement dwelling troll so desperate to get a response from an uncaring world the he performs the literary equivalent of drinking the collective GOP’s urine, passing it through his “mental digestive tract” and peeing the resulting toxic waste onto a wall for all to see, claiming it’s a “challenge”… LOL.

      You must have some truly amazing mental issues to sit here every day, peeing on this wall and pining for someone to hate you.

      If your existence could be sadder, I’m unsure how.

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      1. Otto Greif February 10, 2016

        That’s not my statement, you dunce.

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        1. Insinnergy February 15, 2016

          When you speak now, all I hear is peeing.

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      2. Richids Coulter February 11, 2016

        You’ve just illustrated America’s biggest problem, a Shillary Clinsanto hater is automatically drinking the GOP’s Kool-Aid in your book. Have you considered someone who has this opinion of Shillary also has the same opiniion of Cruz, Bush, etc? Someone who may just be fed up with the status quo of corporatism?

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        1. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

          You must be new here.

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        2. Insinnergy February 15, 2016


          I have no words…

          Are you a bot? Or are you incapable of seeing little Otto’s troll posts?

          Just for you… here are America’s biggest problems.. in no particular order:

          It treats:
          – it’s poor like worthless serfs,
          – it’s environment like an unregulated toilet (that you then drink from…)
          – it’s economy as a money machine for the 1%
          – it’s public money as an insurance policy for Wall Street
          – and it’s political system as a fact-free auction-cum-game-show.

          Internationally you look like a sewer. Figuratively and literally.

          Those are your biggest problems.
          On that scale poor little troll Otto and your perceived GOP-victimhood score extremely low.
          Pinhead.

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          1. Richids Coulter February 17, 2016

            Its = belong to
            It’s = “It is”

            When considering your input, we should add illiteracy to the list of problems, but it gets much worse:

            “your perceived GOP-victimhood”

            My post clearly states that America’s biggest problem is how many people think there is a tangible difference between the two big corporate puppet parties when in reality a vote for either is a vote for America’s downward spiral to continue. You turn that into “GOP-victimhood” – where logic is concerned, your post is virtually 100% free of it.

            99% of people in 2012 voted for:
            a) Barritt Obamney in the red tie
            b) Barritt Obamney in the blue tie

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      3. Paul Bass February 11, 2016

        otto, has an upvote of less than 1. AND he upvotes himself.

        So obviously no one likes him on NM, he must get his rocks off by having people hate him, the more the better. Sad little troll.

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    3. The lucky one February 11, 2016

      Also true of your boy, the Duck. Well he is a good campaigner, he knows the type of lowbrow nativist crowd that supports him and he plays to their ignorance and crudeness very well.

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  3. Stuart February 10, 2016

    Bernie is a rerun of McGovern and Nader. The result in 1972 was Nixon (and Agnew). The result in 2000 was W. Today, the result will be a whole lot worse.

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    1. stcroixcarp February 11, 2016

      No, this is not a rerun of 1972 or 2000. Bernie is the voice of sanity and civility. People are listening.

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      1. Paul Bass February 11, 2016

        See the left has their own echo chamber!

        No, just no. Has Bernie accomplished anything in 40 years? Bernie would be a general election nightmare. He doesn’t even claim to be a democrat, but a socialist! I’m a YDL and even I think he’d be a loser. So just say no.

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        1. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

          The left has a giant big blue bubble echo chamber I am seeing. Polls mean absolutely nothing any more. Too many people lie on them, and the people who generally answer these polls are people with landlines, who have a lot of free time to answer their phones.
          A surprising number of people are saying they are voting for Trump IRL. People think Bernie Sanders is a Communist. You guys are totally dreaming.

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  4. dtgraham February 10, 2016

    This Gene Lyons is getting unbelievable. He’s now crossed the line from being a professional writer, to writing hit pieces on Bernie Sanders and saying whatever comes to his head to influence people not to support him. He spends exactly one sentence admitting that he suspects these internet trolls are really right wingers seeking to foment discord among Democrats. Then he spends the entire rest of the article appearing to suggest that it’s really Bernie’s supporters who are the mean Bernie Bros. So, he can always fall back on his one sentence cop out later. Lyons is an internet troll posing as a professional writer.

    Since the internet, I have never heard a candidate for office publicly whine that their opponent’s supporters are being anonymously mean to their own anonymous supporters on internet comment sites. Nor did I ever expect to hear that. Why? Oh…irrelevance, childishness — several things come to mind really.

    According to Gene, please don’t believe that Hillary is more establishment and less progressive than Bernie because, if you do, that means that Hillary has been horribly and viciously smeared by anonymous on-line Joe citizen commenters, and the GOP won a long time ago? Don’t judge the two candidates by their platforms, history, and what they say they’ll do. Judge them by on-line anonymous comments.

    By the way Gene. We know that Hillary’s supporters “are putting their souls into electing the first female President.” So did Carly Fiorina’s supporters. There are also one heck of a lot of Americans who are putting their souls into electing the first social democratic President. In politics, your beliefs are more important than your gender. Talk to the women in New Hampshire about that.

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    1. @HawaiianTater February 10, 2016

      “Lyons is an internet troll posing as a professional writer.”

      He can’t even call Ted Cruz a lunatic without implying that Bernie running against him would be a gamble.

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      1. Gene Lyons February 11, 2016

        You know, in both cases I’d have to say that your zeal has affected your reading comprehension.

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        1. @HawaiianTater February 11, 2016

          You know, if you think Ted Cruz has any chance in hell of getting into the WH, either your Hillary zeal has affected your comprehension of just how much the general public despises him or you are outright lying to make it look like Bernie could lose to a far-right Fruit Loop like Ted Cruz in an attempt to make your girl Hillary look like a better alternative. Let’s be clear, the Democrats could nominate a week old dried up dog turd and it would win in the general election against Ted Cruz.

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          1. Gene Lyons February 11, 2016

            What the sentence says is Bernie’s only chance would be running against Cruz, but that counting on his nomination would be too risky.

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          2. @HawaiianTater February 11, 2016

            Wait… you think Bernie would lose to Donald Trump? Or Jeb! or Marco Roboto?

            LMAO!

            Thanks for the laugh Gene. You’ve missed your calling. You’d make an excellent stand-up comic.

            Look, I don’t want to bash on you here but you need to face the reality that the real presidential election is between Bernie and Hillary. Whoever gets the nomination will be the next POTUS. You may like Hillary and you may dislike Bernie but you are being intellectually dishonest by making the case that we should choose Hillary because the only person Bernie could beat is Cruz. Demographics and voting patterns aren’t going to all of a sudden change because you are afraid of the scary socialist word. Bernie’s policies happen to be very popular amongst the voting public. Policy matters and people aren’t going to elect a Republican who wants to give massive tax breaks to the rich while sending us to war, denying the reality of climate change and taking away the reproductive rights of women.

            Do you remember how in 2012 after the GOP got their asses handed to them by Obama, their experts told them they would have to appeal more to single women and minorities to get elected? Not only have they not listened to that advice, they have doubled down on the things that caused them to lose so badly last time. There is no question that the next POTUS will be Bernie or Hillary. Now, if you want to talk policy differences between them, I’m game. But, if you want to continue acting like Bernie couldn’t beat Trump or Jeb! or even Marco Roboto in the general election, there is nothing left to say here.

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          3. Gene Lyons February 11, 2016

            Yeah, I think Trump is very dangerous. Also, “intellectually dishonest” doesn’t mean disagreeing with you. There’s nothing inevitable about the Dems’ seeming demographic advantage. Must-win states like OH, VA, MI and FL have trended Democratic in presidential elections, but elect GOP govs and Senators. I agree with Stuart just below.

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          4. @HawaiianTater February 11, 2016

            You “think” Trump is very dangerous but you can show no evidence that he could actually win the general election outside of your opinion. Meanwhile, Bernie kills him in all the head to head polls. He polls better against Trump than Hillary does. Trump’s negativity ratings are off the charts outside of his base. Single women are not going to vote for him. Minorities are not going to vote for him. He wouldn’t come close to getting enough states to reach 270.

            Trump’s Image Among Democrats, Independents Most Negative of Any GOP Candidate http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/188177/trump-image-among-democrats-independents-negative-gop-candidate.aspx

            You are being intellectually dishonest by saying Trump could win the general election when you know full well that he can’t. You’re not an idiot, Gene. You’re a smart guy. You’re only saying Bernie would lose to Trump because you want Hillary to get the nomination.

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          5. Gene Lyons February 11, 2016

            So now you’re a mind-reader. Trump is a dangerous demagogue, a shape-shifter. I don’t know that he can’t win. Also, history matters. Head to head polls aren’t much use at this point.

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          6. dtgraham February 11, 2016

            Your personal opinion is much more useful than professional polling data huh.

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          7. Gene Lyons February 11, 2016

            Judgement is required. Polls showed Dr. Ben Carson beating everybody a couple of months ago.

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          8. @HawaiianTater February 11, 2016

            It doesn’t take a mind reader to point out the obvious, Gene. And if you don’t know that Trump can’t win, then you are clueless to anything demographic or electoral college related. You can’t go around pissing off every demographic outside of the extremely white Republican primary voting base and expect to be competitive in the general election. It doesn’t work that way.

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          9. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

            He didn’t say that! He meant that Bernie’s chance would be running against Cruz …. But he wouldn’t want to risk that. My own words of course. HT, you must live in a big blue bubble. Go out into the “mainstream” world. They don’t know about what you political chatterers know … And they will vote for the stupidest of reasons. And there are plenty of idiots out there that want Cruz. Ugh.

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          10. @HawaiianTater February 13, 2016

            The irony of someone living in a bubble telling someone else to go out into the mainstream world is clearly lost on you.

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          11. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

            Ummmm, HT, my avatar is a drawing and she is in an old timey spacesuit, not a bubble. I don’t actually live in a bubble IRL. At least I don’t think so. Gawd, I hope not.

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          12. @HawaiianTater February 13, 2016

            Honestly, I didn’t even notice your avatar lol

            The bubble I was referring to was the bubble of MSM American politics. Your perspective of what the public wants and how the international community views things is severely lacking.

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          13. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

            Oh, believe me I don’t go to MSM anything. And certainly don’t only go here. That is how I know there are way more RW lunatics than you think there are. California is filled with them … While you guys were worrying about Texas, you are losing California. Take a look at a color district map of Rep or Dem congressmen here. We are almost all red. Now that is something to worry about.

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          14. @HawaiianTater February 13, 2016

            If Cali was at risk of turning red, it seems like that is something people would be talking about. Obama beat Romney by 20%. That’s not something that is going to flip in the span of 4 years.

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          15. Insinnergy February 15, 2016

            Stop trying dude.
            This person needs to read more widely. Or travel. Or something.

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        2. dtgraham February 11, 2016

          Our reading comprehension of insinuation and innuendo is just fine. You’re not making any explicit statements of course but you’re intimating through allusion that Sander’s character may be questionable if he’s attracting the mean on-line Bernie Bros, despite his campaign addressing this. You’re too cute by half.

          That Hillary is such a victim. I understand that the women who vote for Bernie are just looking to pick up boys (Steinem). They’d better have a good time because they’ve got a special place in hell reserved for them due to their voting decision (Albright).

          I haven’t noticed Hillary apologizing for any of this; some of which was said right in front of her publicly. Which, by the way, she also laughed at like a hyena. Will you be writing a column about the mean Hillary sisters, oh unzealous one?

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          1. Gene Lyons February 11, 2016

            I praised Bernie. What Steinem said was dumb, but not ugly. You are simply making things up.

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          2. dtgraham February 11, 2016

            No Mark Antony, you’ve come to bury Bernie, not to praise him.

            “Their vaginas are making terrible choices!” writes one characteristically vulgar Sanders supporter. The discussion goes straight downhill from there. — from your article Gene.

            Cut the act and the con game. You’re not fooling anyone. It’s pretty easy to see what you’re doing here.

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          3. Gene Lyons February 11, 2016

            The column explicitly states that anybody can pretend to be anything online. Again: reading comprehension.

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          4. dtgraham February 11, 2016

            Yes, as I said, you left a couple of blurbs that you can conveniently fall back on to mask this passive-aggressive disingenuous con game of yours. Meanwhile, the rest of the article is a clear implication or inference of something very different. I left one example. There were others.

            Why wasn’t the title something like, “understanding the right’s on-line impersonation take down of Hillary”, if you believe that? After all, you don’t want to give readers the wrong impression do you? Or do you.

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          5. Gene Lyons February 11, 2016

            “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it
            means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”
            “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
            “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master – – that’s all.”

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          6. dtgraham February 12, 2016

            OK, but I’m not sure that quoting the obfuscation of Alice in Wonderland’s rabbit hole is a good way to demonstrate the clarity of your intent.

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        3. A_Real_Einstein February 11, 2016

          OMG.
          The desperation of Clinton campaign has reached rock bottom. Apparently their internal polls are showing much worse numbers than we know. So now they have hit men like you doing you their bidding. Really? Are you really calling out anonymous tweeters and using that against Bernie who has run such a respectable and positive campaign. What does this have to do with issues? What about the anti Semitism we see just on this site from Elenore Whitaker and yabbed. You are a hack and a joke.

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          1. dtgraham February 11, 2016

            Bernie has been slimed plenty on-line. You’re right Einstein. We’ve seen naked anti-Semitic remarks about Bernie from at least two Hillary supporters right here at the National Memo.

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  5. 14hei February 11, 2016

    I would hope that all of us will fellow both Democratic Candidates for President advise and concentrate on the many serious issues facing this nation. Please ignore all the idiot and hateful comments that serve no purpose, but only distract us from the huge problems facing this nation. An also remember that no president can work alone. Make sure you support all candidates you can vote for that will address these huge problems facing this nation.

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    1. nana4gj February 11, 2016

      But all that idiocy and hateful comments does reflect on the leadership and management of their candidate and Sanders’ campaign has some pretty sleazy undertones, evidenced in more ways than this.

      It is all emotional, from top to bottom, totally unrestrained, with no sober solutions, just like every Republican in this race.

      On both sides, there is only one candidate with a record of lifetime effectiveness, a proven work ethic to learn, study, and understand more than one issue, who offers concrete, practical solutions, and that’s the “old menopausal woman”, who must have a genuine commitment to service or she wouldn’t be putting herself out there for all the abuse and crap thrown at her from not just Republicans anymore, but also from Democrats in the party for whom she has always worked hard, registering voters, raising money, etc, and producing results when she was in elected office.

      One advantage to being “old menopausal” and female is there is no testosterone decision making and no big ego to drive ambition and decisions. There are no hormones of any kind getting in the way. There’s just cold, hard, reason and knowing how to work hard and get the job done, on behalf of All people.

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      1. A_Real_Einstein February 11, 2016

        What sleazy undertones are coming from The Bernie campaign? Please elaborate?

        This is not about gender.
        We just prefer the candidate that does not have Super Pacs. We prefer a candidate that does not take millions in contributions and speaking fees from likes of Goldman Sachs and their ilk. We prefer the candidate that voted against the Iraq war. We prefer the candidate will fight for single payer health care. We prefer the candidate that would repeal Citizens United not one that benefits from it.

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        1. Paul Bass February 11, 2016

          No you are not a real einstein. Get a clue, research the 1972 election. McGovern was NOT EVEN as much of a socialist as bernie, and he only won one state. Bernie doesn’t have a chance in the general election, why vote for a known loser, to give the Supreme Court to the GOP? No thanks!

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          1. A_Real_Einstein February 11, 2016

            I live in 2016 and saw what happened to us in 2014. We ran from our President and his progressive policies. Had did that work out? We need to go left not right. We need stand up for what we believe in and be willing fight for those things. Not settle. We just saw a black man run on a very progressive policies and win twice by a good margin. Anything is possible. Don’t sell us short. Don’t sell my kids short.

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          2. Paul Bass February 12, 2016

            I agree with your every word. I just don’t trust the blue states…

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        2. nana4gj February 11, 2016

          Can you please tell me if the “Working Families” solicitation I received for Bernie is his Super Pac?

          Good luck on getting all of that done by simply demanding it from Congress, as Bernie has said is his strategy for getting it done. He can’t and won’t even ask his constituents in Vermont to support him in voting for commonsense gun regulations. Congress ignored and demeaned grieving parents of massacred children in Sandy Hook when they arrived in the Capital Bldg to meet one on one with Congress.

          I listen to Bernie and all I hear is theory and stating the obvious. He has no effective strategy to solve any of it and the issues, if so critical, cannot wait until “millions and millions of people” vote to change the Majority of Congress or show up on the doorsteps of Congress demanding change.

          So far, I predict Paralysis. Not even Obstruction. Paralysis. Progress cannot be made by a rigid ideological Conservative Congressional Majority and a rigid ideological “Socialist Democratic Progressive” in the WH, neither of whom will budge to come to any consensus to serve ALL the people.

          And I will not place at risk all progress made for someone who has taken very few risks himself on behalf of principled stands on other critical issues.

          His campaign will make a buck out of anything they can spin and exploit, such as the DNC data base theft; the hijacking of a bloc of voters in an ad claiming they endorsed Sanders when they did not; the demeaning of “the Establishment” and rushing to court Establishments after one victory in NH, as if the election is wrapped up. Ted Devine and the campaign manager impress me only in their glib talk that smacks of exploitation of the masses and “anger”, much as Trump does. I see no leadership or risk taking in Sanders’ resume.

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          1. A_Real_Einstein February 11, 2016

            His strategy is to create a movement of millions of new progressive voters that will not only grant him the whitehouse but also a huge wave victory in the House, Senate and in the stateslike in 2008. Then we won’t need any GOP support and can do what we want. Then we can end Citizens United and take our democracy back from the establishment. The question is which candidate is more likely to make that happen. Our youth will lead us. It is time to pass the torch. A child shall lead them and the meek shall inherit the earth.

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          2. @HawaiianTater February 11, 2016

            The youth vote is the future and they are overwhelmingly supporting Bernie. It’s a dangerous game to suppress the will of the future of the party.

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          3. A_Real_Einstein February 11, 2016

            Watching the debate. Sounds like Hillary will make a terrific Republican President. Protect Wall Street, protect the banks, health insurance company profits , big pharma and a lot more regime change and military intervention. I just threw up.

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          4. @HawaiianTater February 11, 2016

            By global standards, Hillary is a center-right conservative-lite politicians. She only looks leftist because of how skewed to the right American politics has become. In the international community, if you are a war hawk who protects the interests of the billionaire class, the last thing you are called is a liberal.

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          5. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

            That is just not true. There are actual tests you can take on the internet that place you where stand politically on a graft, and where the presidential contenders place. Hillary Clinton is just slightly more conservative of Obama, and she is a pretty good ways from the median line.
            You are confusing pragmatism with conservatism.

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          6. @HawaiianTater February 13, 2016

            Here is a recent comment from a different thread here on NM that relates to this topic:

            “Trump is certainly a populist but in Belgium Sanders is considered as a classic right side of the left. A socialist is nothing special here. Part of the correct english vocabulary.
            Socialism is just sharing production properly without cutting the urge to possess by the accumulators of wealth who never trickle anything. They just have to give back some of what their giant harvesting and suffocating money machine bring to them. Sanders can truly save the United States but the percentiles do not wish it at all.” -White Rose

            You should read international perspectives more if you want to understand what the political spectrum looks like in most of Western Civilization. By the international standards presented here, even Bernie is seen on the right side of the left. By American standards, he is seen as a left wing extremist. Yeah, Hillary is a pretty good ways from the median line… to the right of it, that is. Only in the USA is the political spectrum so skewed that someone like Hillary or even Obama can be seen as a leftist or a liberal. They don’t fit that criteria anywhere else.

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          7. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

            I am aware of other countries governments and how our conservative/liberal, authoritarian/libertarian dynamic rates with theirs. I am not talking about that however. I am referring to our country. By the way, no one is entirely just one side or the other….. Except most of the GOP pres. Candidates.

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          8. @HawaiianTater February 13, 2016

            That last line is something we can definitely agree upon. There is no debate that the GOP has become right wing extremists.

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        3. yabbed February 11, 2016

          Bernie Sanders has SuperPACS. He has tons of them. He has the NRA and AIPAC as well. It’s part of the fraud of Bernie Sanders’ candidacy that promotes the lie that he does not have SuperPACS or institutional supporters. Bernie Sanders is a total fraud and when the GOP gets done with him everyone will know the real Bernie Sanders for what he is. Let’s remember that in 1990 he said he would be a hypocrite if he ran on the Democratic Party ticket and in 2015 he announced he was running on the Democratic Party ticket.

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          1. Polana February 11, 2016

            U R Right, just some people don’t want to listen and think, it’s just to much for them. They take the easy way out – commercial and talk, talk, talk. Promises he can’t deliver w/out the House.
            House is the one that pay the bills and decide. Free Colleges, not in your lifetime. They would have to move to Poland, Germany, Russia, France, most Colleges are free (Universities U have to pay). He is a Polish Jew (his parents came from Poland), not that anything is wrong with Jews from any country, but he does stretches the truth. It’s sad and pathetic.
            I hope US will not make a mistake like the Egyptians did selecting Morsi and how he did turned out?? In prison.

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          2. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

            Not to mention the story he wrote about a woman fantasizing about getting gang raped. Yes, it was a long time ago …. But it gives a lot of people the ick factor.

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        4. nana4gj February 11, 2016

          Your vote for
          Bernie will achieve none of what you want and needs to be achieved. The difference between the two, the only difference, is in how they plan to make it happen.

          One is unrealistic. The other is realistic and a proven record of results.
          And when this is all over, one way or another, look for Bernie on the speakers’ circuit, raking in hooge millions, and book tours doing the same on the subject of what might have been, if only…..

          And if it doesn’t go my way, either, or yours, look for the complete demolition of any progress made in this country, by Democrats not chicken enough to call themselves Democrats, who were on the firing line for every issue to make that progress happen. If it goes your way, expect paralysis as the best outcome, and not the slow, drip by drip, whittling away of that progress.

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          1. A_Real_Einstein February 11, 2016

            What results?

            Democrats are chickens. They ran from their progressive agenda in 2014 and got killed. It is time we grow some backbone and stand up for what we believe in and are willing fight for it. Let’s fight for single payer healthcare. Let’s fight for paid maternity and family leave. Let’s fight for free state university tuition. I will not accept No We Can’t. I will not accept the status quo I will not accept the corrupt establishment politics that is destroying our country. Please join us and stop fighting us. Show some courage anything is possible with the right leadership. This is our time. 70% of the country believes our economy is rigged. That time is now. We are Americans and we control our destiny.

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          2. Polana February 11, 2016

            No U R not in control of your destiny. The billionaires who bought all these politicians decide your destiny. U only have to give 1 vote for your own slow death. Do it and vote for Heil Trump.

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          3. A_Real_Einstein February 11, 2016

            Bernie Sanders on the speaking circuit raking in millions. What are you talking about? Bernie is an extremely modest individual and is not motivated by money. Unlike Hillary he is not a shill for special interest groups and the banks . If he wanted money he would have cashed in years ago like Hillary. Talk about sleazy undertones. Boy, I can actually smell the desperation.

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          4. @HawaiianTater February 11, 2016

            Hillary surrogates are getting desperate, so they are resorting to lies because they know their girl can’t beat Bernie in a fair fight.

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          5. Paul Bass February 12, 2016

            Um, actually both Bernie and Hillary came out of NH with a total of 15 delegates each. Plus there’s that whole South thing on Super Tuesday that will really knock the wind out of Bernie.

            HT I’m afraid you are too far from the mainland to realize what a redneck idjit country America has become. If the Dems select Bernie, it will be 1972 all over again, only with a WORSE GOP president.

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          6. @HawaiianTater February 12, 2016

            Paul, I spent 20 years growing up in Alabama. America has been a redneck idjit country for a long time now. It’s half the reason I got the hell out of North America (the other half being tropical weather).

            As far as super-delegates go… if Bernie wins the primary through the actual voting by the people but the DNC gives the nomination to Hillary anyways via super-delegates, you might as well get used to saying President Trump because the base would revolt and not go vote in the general.

            Super Tuesday… we shall see. I’ve seen a lot of leaders in the black community who feel like Hillary is taking their vote for granted. Things can change fast in a primary. Hillary’s 30% lead nationally from 2 months ago has all but disappeared. Again, we shall see.

            Lastly… get over the 1972 bit. The country has changed a lot since then. If that’s the best you got, you’re going to need to go back to the drawing board.

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          7. Paul Bass February 12, 2016

            HT,
            You and I agree 95%. But, I obviously have more than ’72.

            If Bernie is the nominee, I’ll vote for him, he won’t be. If he is the nominee I’ll bet dollars to donuts that he will lose.

            In fact, here’s an easy wager for you HT, If Bernie gets the nominee, I’ll send you a case of your favorite soft drink. If HRC wins, I like Dr. Pepper, the real stuff with sugar. 😉 And I’d be happy to lose to you HT, it would prove Americans are more liberal and less idjit! You have a fantastic day.

            (PS. Unfortunately it looks like the market has already voted in a GOP president, there has been NO cases where the market falls dramatically and the party in power gets to keep the presidency.)

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          8. @HawaiianTater February 12, 2016

            I appreciate your fellow hatred of the GOP. I’m not really into wagers though.

            Now, prepare yourself, because I’m going to say something that you are going to hate. If it comes down to Hillary vs. Trump, there is a part of me that would rather see Trump elected. Democrats are never going to get their heads out of the asses of the corporations until we stop electing them into office while they continue taking the money. The USA is primed and ready for a true liberal left wing uprising and it will never happen as long as big money corporate centrist Dems are in charge. They won’t let go of that sweet, sweet money train until they start seeing real consequences for their actions. Choosing between the current Dem and GOP establishments is a choice between getting screwed a little and getting screwed a lot. I’m tired of getting screwed based solely on the premise that the alternative is getting screwed even worse. It might be the case that the only way for Dems to finally learn their lesson and become the party we want them to be is devastating losses.

            Here’s a graphic to help explain how I feel:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39b7b169141b747fb24bf1c5cc52fa9d0253dad187ff498de6df2947673d26a7.jpg

            Go ahead and yell at me. I know you want to lol

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          9. Paul Bass February 12, 2016

            I agree HT, I just live in Texas, so don’t put much faith in a “true liberal left wing uprising”. But, hey, me and about 3 other people in Texas voted for McGovern, so I’m all for the “uprising”.
            (As long as “parting on the left, is now parting on the right” is not the only result of the “uprising”!) 😉

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          10. @HawaiianTater February 12, 2016

            There are reports out there that Texas could turn blue some time in the next decade. If Dems start every election with Cali, NY and Texas in their pockets, Republicans in their current incarnation will never win the WH again.

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          11. Paul Bass February 12, 2016

            “reports of my death may be premature”.
            I like the glidepath, already Austin, San Antonio, and parts of Houston are solidly blue. Though we dems have a turnout problem in TX.

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          12. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

            I’m gonna nudge in here for a comment? You would vote for Trump??? Are you crazy? Fortunately the blue of Hawaii would drown you out so you wouldn’t get to experience what True Corporate America would feel like.
            Trump IS the quintessential corporate tool, and he gas sold out to himself and any other under the table corporate money he has gotten. You are unbelievable.

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          13. @HawaiianTater February 13, 2016

            A: I didn’t say I would vote for Trump. Read it again.

            B: Yes, I am crazy. That’s totally besides the point lol

            C: Under no circumstances would I get to experience what True Corporate America would feel like. If the GOP ever gets complete control of the country and turns it into a conservative utopia, I’m moving to New Zealand.

            Bonus: it’s entirely possible that the system is so broken that the only way to fix it is to burn the whole thing down and start over. I’m done choosing between the lesser of two evils. Give me something good to vote for or GTFO.

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          14. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

            Why New Zealand? They are a pretty anal bunch of people there.

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          15. @HawaiianTater February 13, 2016

            Well… I am not completely sold on NZ. There are other options. Bottom line is I would not stay here.

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          16. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

            Me either. Can’t figure out anywhere else to go that isn’t a problem, unless you are willing to give up your US citizenship. You live overseas you still have to pay US taxes. And sometimes the taxes of the country you live in too.

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          17. @HawaiianTater February 13, 2016

            I really don’t think it will come to that. What I see is a younger generation here that is very left wing liberal. The only question is how much damage the older generation will do on their way out of power. Our political landscape is going to look drastically different in the next 10-20 years.

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          18. Insinnergy February 15, 2016

            We’re also one of the least corrupt countries in the world, and don’t give evangelical or science-denying or corporate-blowing or warmongering or racist or pro-torture or anti-abortion or openly idiotic political candidates the time of day at any level of society.

            Unlike America…
            Where the more of those things you have the MORE likely you are to be elected.

            So don’t throw stones our way, pinhead.
            At least until your country stops treating it’s poor like worthless serfs, it’s environment like an unregulated toilet (that you then drink from…), it’s economy as a money machine for the 1%, it’s public money as an insurance policy for Wall Street, and it’s political system as a fact-free auction-cum-game-show.

            Internationally you look like a sewer. Figuratively and literally.

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          19. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

            Hillary could have cashed in years ago as well. How do you know he isn’t motivated by money? He has been a Senator for a pretty long time, he has always been a politician. For gods sake you guys have developed some kind of Cult if Personality around Bernie Sanders that cracks me up.

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          20. A_Real_Einstein February 13, 2016

            Hillary did cash in years ago. Perhaps you have not heard about the speeches to Goldman Sachs and many many others that Bill has made as well. They are multi millionares now. That would be the definition of cashing in. I do not blame them, it’s natural and they have been great public servants. BUt if you are running for president you can’t do that and expect the people to believe that you are credible on going after the very special interest groups that you are taking millions from for personal gain. Based on his financial disclosures and his record it does not appear that Bernie is motivated by money. What you see is what you get. He walks the walk and talks the talk. Hopefully you will join us in our revolution and give yourself and our children the progressive future we deserve. May God Bless you.

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        5. Polana February 11, 2016

          Medicare is a socialistic and single payer, what more do U want??

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          1. A_Real_Einstein February 11, 2016

            We want Medicare for all!

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          2. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

            Then say that.

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        6. Gene Lyons February 12, 2016

          Citizens United isn’t a law and can’t be repealed. You know that, right?

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          1. A_Real_Einstein February 12, 2016

            Actually congress does have latitude to go in adjust limits, types of donations or even make adjustments as to what constitutes and qualifies as a 501 corporation. So in that sense congress can completely change it but not repeal in its entirety. They have the same latitude on section 4 of the voting rights acts hat the supremes changed. . Get in the right congress and much of this stuff is undone. Thanks for the reply.

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        7. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

          The Sanders campaign is getting some pretty high end donations from supposedly private citizens … You trust everything I suppose?

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          1. A_Real_Einstein February 13, 2016

            I definetely trust Bernie. What’s not to trust? Been watching him for years. He is very disciplined politician and I love his message. God Bless Bernie Sanders.

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      2. A_Real_Einstein February 11, 2016

        What sleazy undertones are coming from the Bernie Sanders campaign?

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  6. MichaelC February 11, 2016

    Thanks, Mr. Lyons, although it won’t make any difference as far as Bernie World is concerned. Anything anyone writes not explicitly praising Bernie becomes a “hit piece.” Anyone who prefers HRC is automatically a tool of the Establishment. In many cases, it appears the folks making such rancid comments aren’t liberals-progressives and certainly not Democrats. I’ve suspected for a long time that Republicon political operatives posing as real people have been at work sowing dissension and discord among real liberals-progressives and Democrats. So there really is no point in addressing the irrational rationally. Let them rant, rave, heave, and bellow, then smile quietly when the votes come in from upcoming primaries and caucuses.

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    1. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

      They seem more like something Trump would cook up.

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  7. nana4gj February 11, 2016

    Here’s another: all of us women who support Hillary, using discussion of policy, leadership, effectiveness, and her record of activism, are called, “old menopausal women”.

    I AM old and menopausal, post menopausal, actually, like Hillary, with no hormones raging to cloud my judgment or feed an ego that constantly needs feeding.

    I have more money, no debt, and more insurance than the young people who disrespect and demean me and the generation of women who rallied together to get this generation their rights and opportunities, while caring for home, hearth, husbands, kids, working at a job outside the home, and being pregnant, experiencing childbirth, without having the entire society follow our every pang in selfies all over the internet and beyond, as if we were the only women ever to be pregnant. Of course, after we achieved the gains on behalf of our kids, it was decided that being “Super Woman” was a dumb thing to have done. There have been many “old, menopausal” women throughout history that brought us women’s suffrage, to Eleanor Roosevelt who told us we were not possessions of husbands and could have our own identities, to many, many more. Let’s see what you can do.

    I think if this generation want reproductive rights, fair wages, and anything else we left out, it’s up to them, not us, anyway, to protect and expand them, and they should do it their way. I just hope when they are “old and menopausal”, they can have what we have, even if we got it the old fashioned way: working for it and rallying with our sisters all across this nation. The only man who has worked as hard on our behalf as we have is President Obama.

    We’ve gotten ours, it’s time for us to have a “Me” experience in whatever time we have left.

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    1. dtgraham February 11, 2016

      You’ll be voting for Bloomberg.

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      1. nana4gj February 11, 2016

        If not Hillary, then, yes, Bloomberg, and let the chips fall where they may.

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        1. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

          But that doesn’t make any sense. Why would you change from Hillary to Bloomberg? I mean, he is a Democrat as well. Why would you do that??

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          1. nana4gj February 13, 2016

            I would support Bloomberg ONLY if Hillary were not an option.

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      2. Paul Bass February 11, 2016

        He won’t even enter.

        If America is so bigoted as to not vote for a woman, do you think a short Jewish billionaire from New York has a chance in hell of being elected?

        If so, I have a bridge to NYC I want to sell you!

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        1. dtgraham February 12, 2016

          I only made that comment because nana said last week that she would be switching her vote from Hillary to Bloomberg if he got in the race.

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          1. Paul Bass February 12, 2016

            I, of course, actually agree. Bloomberg would be far better than ted, donald, jeb, etc.

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          2. nana4gj February 12, 2016

            Because I want someone who can preserve, protect, and progress, not paralyse or pick away to nothing what we have, and certainly, not someone on a demolition team.

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    2. Paul Bass February 11, 2016

      And some of us old geezers support Hillary for many of the same reasons.

      (BTW i am a single parent of a SN child, so I REALLY want to support the Democrat…)

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      1. nana4gj February 11, 2016

        So, you know all the work she did on behalf of SN children before she was ever known to anyone; mainstreaming them into public schools for equal educational opportunities to achieve their potential; adoption and foster care legislation that protected children; and, of course, when she was FLOTUS, the Childrens’ Health Insurance or CHIPS.

        As a retired RN, pediatrics, there was not one day I did not think of her and her contributions to children and their health, their parents and families. I worked for a time in a Respite Home for children with SN across the state who needed rescue, some to be returned to rehab’d parents, some placed in foster care, and some for adoption. They had the best of everything, medical care, dental care, psychological care, a home environment with three nutritious meals around a family table; birthday parties; public school attendance; and a devoted staff to care for them 24/7. Some came so neglected and poorly cared for and, within a couple of weeks, they were blooming. There was not a day I did not think of what Hillary did on behalf of these children and I was so grateful. Her first assignment with Children’s Defense League was just to go door to door and count the number of kids at home and not in school. She did that, but, it wasn’t enough. She challenged the system and advocated they be mainstreamed into public school system; then, on to adoption and foster care legislation, in total anonymity.

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        1. Paul Bass February 12, 2016

          Yes, I, of course, support HRC just for these SN reasons, but I hope many males of my generation will support her for her competence along with these SN issues. Thank you!

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    3. Cloudherder February 13, 2016

      Thank you for putting that so eloquently but powerfully. I think this generation of women in their 20’s doesn’t have a clue about the fight we went through, or what rights they still lack, however.

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  8. Tim Baird February 11, 2016

    Is the behavior of the so-called BernieBros worse that the Madeline Albrights and Gloria Steinems of the world inferring that young women supporters of Bernie are somehow not feminists or capable of making intelligent decisions?

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    1. nana4gj February 11, 2016

      If you knew anything about the history of the Women’s Movement over the last 30 years, you would know that was a rallying cry for women across this nation, to unite and work together for more equality, and that no one in that movement, my generation, found it offensive, repulsive, threatening; we embraced it, laughed, and carried on, together. In fact, some burned their bras, something none of this generation would do because many of them do not even wear bras, or girdles, corsettes, hosiery….because we ditched all of that, too !

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  9. phoenixchix February 11, 2016

    How do we know they are Bernie followers and not people hired to impersonate them in order to turn people against Bernie?

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    1. nana4gj February 11, 2016

      The instinctive response is that Republicans, who may be the hireers, do not want to run against Hillary, whom they perceive to be more of an electoral threat, and that is why they have had little to say, publicly, about Bernie. They want to run against him, so I conclude, it is overly eager immature Bernie supporters that neither he nor his campaign and lead, manage, influence, or control. I’m not sure his campaign wants to influence them differently because they have shown their own sleaze on more than one occasion.

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  10. yabbed February 11, 2016

    It’s not possible for Bernie Bros to be respectful. They are outrageously nasty to anyone who questions Bernie’s qualifications or who is in support of Hillary Clinton. The obscene attacks that follow any of the most mild criticism of Bernie Sanders or praise of Hillary Clinton are vulgar.

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  11. Polana February 11, 2016

    Bernie is calling for political revolution. Hmmm.
    How the political revolution worked out for the French Revolution??
    Russian Revolution??
    German Reichstag got Hitler in and how that worked out for them?
    How the American Revolution worked out for the Indians/Blacks. Whites were the winners.South/North??
    Does Douglas MacArthur rings the bell for some??
    Some 200 + yrs ago Edmund Burke said that we are country with tradition and respect for individual rights, and democracy is continuation of free society for all. Countries with out any respect for tradition do not guarantee the same rights and freedom.
    About 270 yrs ago Alexis de Tocqueville wrote an excellent book “De la Democratie en Amerique” i suggest to read it. Eye opener.

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  12. Chris February 13, 2016

    I suppose I qualify as a Bernie Bro (a white, millennial male supporting Sanders). I’ve never weighed in on the comments section of an article about Bernie, but I think I’m pissed off enough to do so now.

    First, I, like those who criticize the Bernie Bro, despise the vociferousness with which some of my fellow Bernie supporters defend him. I think it’s unseemly. I recognize that he has flaws, as any human being does. I have seen sexist attacks on Hillary (and bordering-on-anti-Semitic attacks on Debbie Wasserman Schulz) on social media. I would like to take a moment to apologize on behalf of my friends.

    But the notion that online vitriol spewed by anonymous Twitter eggs should affect the discussion about who should be the next leader of the free world is ridiculous. Not only does it conflate the candidate with his fringe supporters; it’s just another story that diverts attention from real issues. More ink has been spilled on the Bernie Bro than has been on paid family leave in the past few weeks. Or on Clinton’s disastrous intervention in Libya, her obscene proposals for Syria and the consequences of the Iraq war. These are issues that affect women in ways far more serious than disgusting comments made on the Internet.

    And in my experience, those Bernie Bro comments are the exception, not the rule. I work for a local Bernie group. Our Facebook page is administered by a Native American woman. Our Twitter is administered by me (a gay Jew) and an African American woman. Our email list is administered by a Baby Boomer woman. Our group is led by a woman and was founded by another. Most of our subgroups were founded by, and currently headed by, women, ranging in age from early 30s to late 60s. The harshest attacks on Clinton left in our social media groups are made by women.

    I’ve gone out of my way to A) not write anything bad about Clinton, and B) not spread anything bad about Clinton. But frankly, I might as well commit the crime my mythical prototype is constantly being accused of. I think Clinton is a corrupt war-mongerer. Her appointees to regulatory agencies would protect bankers at the expense of everyone else, and her foreign policy would be as bad as the State Department’s adventurism under her leadership. We would be a poorer, less secure nation if we were headed by President H. R. Clinton.

    And frankly, I am sick and tired of people of my parents’ generation telling me that I ask too much when I ask for ethics in government and restraint in foreign policy. (And then we have Gloria Steinem telling us that actually, the more radical act is to vote for Clinton – so I’d like our Wise Elders to tell me whether I’m being too radical or not radical enough by supporting Sanders.)

    The Bernie Bro narrative is an easy one to grasp on to. The total evisceration of big-D Democratic values by the Clinton Democrats and the corporate liberals is much more difficult. Journalists owe it to us to tackle the latter, and spend less time breathlessly reporting on the vagaries of online trolls.

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    1. Chris February 13, 2016

      And one more thing: I wrote this after reading through about 20 comments on this article. Every one of them was a criticism of either Sanders or his supporters. I did not find a single negative word about Clinton. And so it goes: Claims about the sexism within the Sanders campaign, backed up with scant evidence.

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      1. WampusKat March 3, 2016

        You’ll notice that trolls are playing both sides against each other. Those would be Libertarians… the exact type liberals have told progressives are not our tribe. Get them out of Bernie’s campaign is all I can say. When they start up, shut them down. We’ll do the same for the anti-Bernie haters. Though I have to say, they hate Hillary/women with a white hot fury… not unlike the Gamergaters (hint, hint). See Dave Futrelle’s material on the Internet’s Libertarian anti-women hate fest: http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/

        They don’t much like “The Jews” either: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ron-paul-stars-oath-keepers-militia-film-anti-semitic-filmmaker

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  13. Prairie Dog Rebellion February 17, 2016

    I’m an Arkansas native who knew the Clintons from before he was elected Governor. I do not support Hillary for president and I only grudgingly support Bernie–mainly because he’s to her left and he’s not a lying arrogant plutocrat. I knew the Clintons when they had no money, and Bill was a philandering sleazebag but he had not yet sold his soul to Tyson and Hillary had not yet sold her soul to the Waltons. I held out some hope for them. But that hope has long since evaporated and condensed into a dripping cold brew of distrust and seething resentment at how disgustingly sold out they both are (Chelsea too, and I first met her when she was an infant!)…

    Is Bernie perfect? Not at all. Is he to blame for some misogynists who support him? Not at all. So Gene Lyons and other journalists from D’arkansas and elsewhere–Joan Walsh, too–GET OVER IT.

    You’d be so lucky to have Sanders in the White House, yet you seem to think Hillary is your savior. Truth is, neither will fix what’s wrong with this country. At best there will be a continued stalemate in Congress, barring a major shift in the Senate where a filibuster-proof majority of non-sold-out Democrats comes in, and I don’t see that happening. For one thing, there are probably no more than a dozen non-sold-out Dems if that, so the best we could hope for is minor tweaks to Obamacare and to Dodd-Frank.

    The only good I see Hillary doing is appointing some centrist judges in the breyer mold who will preside over a slow-motion slide toward full-fledged plutocracy with a feint to the left by affirming the Casey decision but not much else.

    There will be no political revolution. Blame Bernie for over-promising on some things, but lay off him for things he didn’t say. But mostly let’s give him credit for calling Hillary out on her biggest fault, which she shares with Bill: they are both whores to Wall Street banksters and neither of them should be allowed anywhere near our federal government because they have eagerly led the destabillization of our economy and made millions of us economically insecure even as they pretended to be on the side of the people (us) they were busy screwing.

    The Bernie Bros are wrong to call Hillary a vagina, because what’s wrong with her is she’s as big a dick as anyone in Washington.

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